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So... Smart industry revolutionizing move.... Or desperate grasp for relevance?


TLDR : Instead of a linear assembly line it will be a branched system where it eventually converges into a final assembly point.
LOL. EV pickup because no one buys the F150 EV, and EV's in general have cost them billions. And then throw in a completely untest assembly process into the mix because all of their other ideas have been so good.
 
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LOL. EV pickup because no one buys the F150 EV, and EV's in general have cost them billions. And then throw in a completely untest assembly process into the mix because all of their other ideas have been so good.
Yeah, but it's moving towards a model another company was trying which was "build an EV platform chassis and then the body you slap on top is a choice/option". In some ways that could make EVs lower cost to produce maybe?
 
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Yeah, but it's moving towards a model another company was trying which was "build an EV platform chassis and then the body you slap on top is a choice/option". In some ways that could make EVs lower cost to produce maybe?
No. All they are doing is rearranging the assembly process to suit EV's. 3 different parts will be assembled in parallel with a final serial assembly. The costs savings, if any (this is Ford) will come from the front/rear gigacastings.

If they really wanted to save money, they'd spec quality instead of getting shafted on warranty costs.
 
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No. All they are doing is rearranging the assembly process to suit EV's. 3 different parts will be assembled in parallel with a final serial assembly. The costs savings, if any (this is Ford) will come from the front/rear gigacastings.

If they really wanted to save money, they'd spec quality instead of getting shafted on warranty costs.

Can't spec quality because then you risk making vehicles that last longer than the payment plan on them. They have to design to a 3-5 year longevity window.
 
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LOL. EV pickup because no one buys the F150 EV, and EV's in general have cost them billions. And then throw in a completely untest assembly process into the mix because all of their other ideas have been so good.
Complexity in production is never a good thing.
 

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I think this will also be a bad idea. I am really confused as to why they would continue to try to push the EV truck when it has already failed. Until you can match the performance of a gas engine, with a good range and a fast recharge, few will want them.

Now add the current price market and you have the makings of a house of cards like collapse in the market.

I am just going to be really pissed off when our government decides to bail them out..........again.
 
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I am really confused as to why they would continue to try to push the EV truck when it has already failed. Until you can match the performance of a gas engine, with a good range and a fast recharge, few will want them.

I think there's a market for small EV pickups in urban/suburban/commercial settings. Think working trucks for builders, plumbers, pool guys, landscapers, etc. I'd even consider one as a second car just to haul gear and materials for home maintenance/shop projects. I have a Y as my primary ride and it's about half the cost to operate as a comparable gas car. The trouble with previous pickup offerings was the price point. Get it down to 30-40k and I think interest spikes a lot. I've seen a lot of people salivating over the Slate concept just based on price.

Obviously with current tech it's a non-starter for people who need to tow or drive long distances, but those use cases are already covered by gas.
 

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The maverick and Santa Cruze sell decent -

The EV F150 and cybertruck was meant to be a “real truck” and do all the “real truck” things…

A 30k little truck and even the Slate is not meant to do “real truck” things, its mean to do what the captain above says- city runabout with open bed utility.
 
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Small trucks are coming back to the market in a big way over the next couple years. Mazda, Nissan, Subaru, and Toyota all have some on the way.

Some of which will be starting under 20k.
 
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Anyone get a lucid gravity yet? Am considering it but worried about lucid’s support /reliability over time. 500 + mile range is tempting
 

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Lucid is kept afloat by the saudies heh… so they will most likely go under in a year or two once they fall out of favor as the uber rich EV thats not a traditional uber rich… /if/ i should say hehe
 
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Small trucks are coming back to the market in a big way over the next couple years. Mazda, Nissan, Subaru, and Toyota all have some on the way.

Some of which will be starting under 20k.

Fags at the EPA effectively banned them, as well as basic subcompact cars (Toyota Yaris/Honda Fit etc.) Some cheap subcompacts should be returning as well.
 
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Fags at the EPA effectively banned them, as well as basic subcompact cars (Toyota Yaris/Honda Fit etc.) Some cheap subcompacts should be returning as well.
Yeah. One of the best things Trump has done is rolled back all the dumb EPA and Mileage trash.
 
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As far as I can tell, it's only the fines on CAFE and the upcoming 2027 emissions standards that got suspended. Cars aren't going to go back to running carburetors or anything, they still need to meet current emissions regulations (from 2020)

There's also a legal challenge in the works that will probably take years to complete.

It's hard to find good information when all the media is either "Trump WIN, no emission rules ever" or "planet is going to die and you're all getting cancer from smog" with very little actual facts in between.

Trump comments on 2020 standards


Best write-up on the legal side of things that I could find

 

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So... Smart industry revolutionizing move.... Or desperate grasp for relevance?


TLDR : Instead of a linear assembly line it will be a branched system where it eventually converges into a final assembly point.
Hey guys, we've revolutionized the assembly of vehicles. Imagine this: we have a system where we build out some subassemblies and then mate them together at a later point. For example, we could build the chassis/drive components, then later on join the cab/box to that - kind of like we've been doing with body on frame pickups for a bazillion years! I am curious at how they've vastly improved the ergonomics lime they're claiming.

Copying tesla with the giant aluminum castings seems like a good idea for savings although I haven't looked at any postmortems on how that all has been going with Tesla. I guess time to buy some Alcoa stock. I'm curious how they're planning to bond all the vehicle grounds, aluminum is doable but requires special attention, could be a lot of electrical gremlins if they do it wrong. Also curious about the zonal architecture they implemented. Every OEM is in love with the concept, but the implementation is sketchy.

Sales of these 30k EV trucks are going to really depend on range. I can't find anything on that. Too short and all their utility is going to be gimped.

Overall, was disappointed, I don't think it remotely came close to living up to the hype. Seems about right for Farley's tenure.