Why all the nerd rage against Vanguard
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These are bugs that should not be in retail. Bugs are one thing, but THESE kind of bugs are beta at best. Come on... LoS bugs? Grouping bugs?tad10 said:
There was some VG love the first few days, but as players spend more time dealing with this crap, I suspect the tide will turn quickly.
They showed us that you can create a world that is sterile, repetitive usually ugly and lacking soul of any kind but that as long as it"s simple entertainment the masses will love it. The WoW designers are hacks, they accidentally struck gold on a premise that I"ve been preaching for over 8 years now.
i do hate wow now, but i dont think its a terrible game. its just not my cup of tea because even if my schedule is swamped, id still like to play a game like classic eq over wow (vg in this case). but there are people with busy schedules that wanna go on for like an hour and get shit done.Turzem said:
however i do agree that i didnt really see a soul in wow.
Why would you wish for the game to fail, or for more people to hate it. Me personally, even if I don"t really love the game, I wouldn"t wish for it to get shut down. More games = good for the gamers.Arden said:
Same here, i felt nothing for the game. i didn"t think it was a horrible game, it just wasnt for mel. I only found some enjoyment from Alteric Valley, but once i got exhalted, i never went back.vynde said:
You are wrong - if buggy games are accepted its bad for gamers!Cloud9_ said:
Developers should learn that polish+bugfree (almost) >>> quick dollars...
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You got me all wrong brother I don"t wish for any such thing, nor do I happen to think it is going to be an issue in this case. I am not the type of person that hangs around in threads about games I don"t like (to be honest, I always thought that was a little strange).Cloud9_ said:
I was just poking fun of Machineman"s clear "concern" with the influx of positive feedback Vanguard has gotten since launch. It"s almost as if he chose a side a long time ago, and now that his side just had a major setback it"s making him a little nervous... The whole idea of sides and "turning tides" and such, like the Vanguard thing is a war or something, kind of makes me laugh.
What"s interesting to me, however, is how much the VG Haters Club has actually done for the game. In some ways, they have done more than any Vanguard fanboi could have alone. Their ardent and often maniacal obsession with spamming Vanguard threads with aspersion and controversy has done a large part in assuring that every Vanguard thread extends hundreds of posts within a matter of 2 days, and that the front page of the FoH forums (as well as other game forums) has three active Vanguard threads at any given time.
With their help, it is pretty much impossible to read the message boards and NOT see Vanguard plastered everywhere. Hell, I wonder how many people played Vanguard just to see what all the fuss was about, and which "side" was right. I"d also be willing to bet that many of the Haters Club played Vanguard more than the fanbois just to make sure their data was up to date and as accurate as possible before heading off to the forums to do "battle" with the fanbois (save Neric of course, whose steadfast and meticulously maintained ignorance stands as a bastion to all that is lazy and uninformed criticism).
It"s the old Howard Stern effect- his fans listened to him 2 hours every day, but his hate club listened to him 4 hours every day, just to get enough fuel to feed their burning hatred Good times
I Totally agree.. I like WoW, it really is missing something though.vynde said:
It has great atmosphere.. quest extremely well done.. But something about it doesn"t bring me rushing home to play it.
Plus i love doing dungeons with other groups in it. It"s something i wish WoW would have
I"m sorry... I"m not a WoW fanboy, but you can"t be serious.Turzem said:
It"s not even a discussion that Blizzarad has people who can make great GAMES. They do it time and again.... they know what their doing.
Sigil has engineers writing stories, engineers doing 3D modeling, engineers doing lighting, engineers working on animations, and engineers doing art direction. Blizzard on the other hand has artists and the appropriate professionals working on their craft in each individual area... it"s obvious to 8 million people the quality of this game.
Not denying WoW is simple to play, that"s part of the draw. But it"s also a professionally done game with an expertly crafted interface, whereas Vanguard continues to feel like a college project from a group of mediocre students.
You call them hacks? And you do what in the game industry again?
Anyone who picked up the game just to see what the fuss is about is guaranteed not to be playing it in 2 weeks. Fact. The game is fucking rat urin.Arden said:
I played the beta for over a year... I hardly "chose a side" . Every week I would try and feel refreshed about the game. I"d read the boards (now non-existant of course). I"d re-read the web site about all the cool things like in-depth crafting, diplomacy, etc. I"d think "what the fuck am I missing? It must be me... I need to go back in there and concentrate on making sure my experience is fun and correct".
Then I realized how ridiculous it was - me, week in and week out testing the game, and somehow thinking it was MY responsiblity to make it fun.
At least half (that"s 50%) of the bugs I submitted since I started are still there. That"s over 13 months ago.
All of these factors finally woke me up and the reason I"m so angry is because I wanted Vanguard to be the game to end all games... not even close.
Like WoW or not - it absolutely raised the expectations on the level of quality, finish and polish and MMO should have - it had attributes reserved for only the best OFFLINE games. Vanguard? Liking EQ1 and reminiscing about it is no reason to produce a game that looks and plays like it, in the year 2007.
Maybe for a lot of people, myself included, playing VG over WoW means spending $500-1,000 in upgrades. That is, if playing at balanced or higher with decent fps means anything.
I don"t know that i"ve seen any arguement for it being that good. I don"t even know if the game has raid content. If there"s a VG fan here that has a compelling arguement then let"s have it.
I don"t know that i"ve seen any arguement for it being that good. I don"t even know if the game has raid content. If there"s a VG fan here that has a compelling arguement then let"s have it.
I should put this in my sig, never was a more true prophecy spoken on these forums.Itzena said: