World of Warcraft: Current Year

Come on Foggy... seriously? Dailies are the only way to put content into a game? No man, dailies are the way Blizzard artificially cockblocks your goals so you HAVE to stay subbed for longer periods of time if you want something they are gating. They aren't putting any real content into the damn game...

Khane_sl said:

Come on Foggy... seriously? Dailies are the only way to put content into a game? No man, dailies are the way Blizzard artificially cockblocks your goals so you HAVE to stay subbed for longer periods of time if you want something they are gating. They aren't putting any real content into the damn game...

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So you just avoided the question.

As to your point, you don't have to do a single daily in WoD to increase the power/progression of your character. It blocks you from ancillary things like toys, mounts, and flying, which is good. Give players something to constantly work towards that doesn't really matter for progression. The dailies are the content unless you think you should be able to just roll up to a vendor and buy the mounts, toys, and stuff. What's the point in that? Unfortunately, the legendaries seem to be moving back to tying progression to dailies, but hopefully it doesn't.

I played WoD for grand total of about 10 days, so I can't really talk about the raid content, but for me there were multiple ways the expansion failed for me:

1) Itemization - it is quite literally just +gooderer and the only number that mattered was ilvl. There was nothing interesting, no item I had to think about how to use, just every once in a while I got a purple one instead of a blue one because I was a good boy. That's a huge failure in a game that is all about acquiring loot and gearing up. Similarly all customization with jewelcrafting/enchanting was simplified or removed.

2) Phasing out of old content - After exhausting my 1 lvl boost I tried leveling out some of my old characters who were around lvl 80. Cataclysm mobs died so fast it wasn't even fun to kill them, since they were just bumps on the way between quest NPCs and MoP wasn't much better, I can't imagine what the difficulty is like for people decked out in heirlooms, I guess they are busy soloing dungeons or something, but it says something about Blizzard's confidence in their old content when they try to make you ignore it.

3) Dailies - some are fun, some are not. There's a reason why people remember TBC dailies so fondly - they were challenging and rewarding, since they came at a time where money was an issue for a lot of the players, since epic flying mounts were crazy expensive and heroics were bloody hard, thus giving players an alternate options to gear up, obtain materials and money for the content that was open to them but still challenging. The problem is that companions trivialized a lot of the WoD zones, which means you were running around trying to slaughter as much shit as fast as possible, the dungeons trivial and raids, at least at launch, were fucking terrible, thus leaving them as a timegated content for titles/hats. To add insult to injury, most of those dailies didn't feel that much different from the quests you sent your NPCs on, leaving you to wonder why the fuck are you even bothering and why can't they do this too.

Foggy_sl said:

So you just avoided the question.

As to your point, you don't have to do a single daily in WoD to increase the power/progression of your character. It blocks you from ancillary things like toys, mounts, and flying, which is good. Give players something to constantly work towards that doesn't really matter for progression. The dailies are the content unless you think you should be able to just roll up to a vendor and buy the mounts, toys, and stuff. What's the point in that? Unfortunately, the legendaries seem to be moving back to tying progression to dailies, but hopefully it doesn't.

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Good because you say so? Good because there's no other way to accomplish things than artificial "Blizzard thinks this should take 21 days" time blocks? I didn't avoid any questions, you and Itzena seem to think dailies are necessary for some reason and I can't fathom why.

The fact that you say dailies are good because without them you'd just be able to roll up to a vendor and buy mounts and toys and stuff proves that. You know reputation requirements for all that stuff existed before dailies were ever a thing right? For some reason you think dailies are the only way to put a time sink into a game.

I've said quite a few times already but for some reason the two of you seem to be conveniently ignoring it. Dailies were originally implemented and intended to do the opposite of what you are arguing for. There were grind fests for toys, mounts and other things (actually the biggest problem was a lot of consumables that were necessary for raiding were part of grinds) that dailies were meant to ease. They were meant to give people who hated grinding or didn't have the time to put into it the way the hardcore gamers did an ancillary (this is the key term here, ancillary) mode of progression that had a definitive end in sight instead of wondering how long it was gonna take you to get the 85 rare drops you needed for turn ins. But the option to farm for those 85 rare drops was still there.

You seem to think that since you don't care about flying, mounts, toys, crafting recipes, tradeskills and things like that nobody should care if they're all blocked by something we can only do once per day and need to do every day for 20+ days. Just because you can go into a dungeon and raid without them then dailies are A-OK? Dailies suck and their implementation is atrocious. Give me alternate means of progressing my character that isn't locked to some arbitrary timer Blizzard cooked up to pull the wool over the eyes of people who can't see them for what they are. A mask for the fact that they just aren't putting much content into these patches that take them year(s) to make.

By the way how did this conversation even become about WoD? I mean Jesus, nobody is talking about WoD, we're talking about dailies having sucked for like 9 damn years... Dailies are a thing because Blizzard is lazy and somehow fooled people like you into thinking they're actually necessary.

So you'd rather have a straight up poopsock-your-way-to-victory rep grind than dailies?

Itzena_sl said:

So you'd rather have a straight up poopsock-your-way-to-victory rep grind than dailies?

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Yes

Me personally? Yes definitely, because with my poopsock to reward I can either straight up grind nonstop, or grind a little bit here and there the same way I can with dailies.

But honestly having BOTH would be the best option. I can ignore the dailies if I hate them and just grind, do both to speed it up a bit more, or just do dailies if I can't stand the grind. You know... like I've been saying all along and even referenced TBC dailies several times.

Factions should simply offer both. Kill stuff to gain faction and dailies/quests that also boost that faction. Problem solved, and it satisfies both groups. JFC this isn't rocket surgery.

Nah dog gating it behind dailies is what everyone wants.

I just remember the frost Saber mount and how awesome it was seeing someone with it and you know that person poop socked the shit out of life to get it.

I mean I guess it was awesome. Or sad that someone went berserk grinding out a specific subset of mobs in a game to get something that realistically took quite a few man hours, and had no actual impact on gameplay except being able to stand on the mailbox in orgrimmar with the furries asking how you attained such a steed.

A little bit from column a, a little bit from column b. However, I will say that it is -much- more interesting than all the storebought mounts and crap these days.

It was aids doing that grind, but at least I got something that was unique and fucking awesome.

I grinded the shit out of Laughing Skull exalted where mobs only gave 5rep per kill and what did I get for it? a fucking reskin of another wolf instead of one of those sick bug mounts that you can buy for 25$.

Noodlemod_sl said:

Nah dog gating it behind dailies is what everyone wants.

I just remember the frost Saber mount and how awesome it was seeing someone with it and you know that person poop socked the shit out of life to get it.

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It isn't about what people want. It is about gating content in a way that extends content. Unfortunately, creating content takes time and they cannot keep pace with the rate players consume it. They need to slow it in some way so players have something to do. The alternative is they allow you to grind it (which they did in WoD for every single rep except for two, which somehow gets lost), you poopsock it, and then complain about having nothing to do. Blizzard can't win. The best way is to have weeklies instead of dailies or a system like the current valor farming method that gives you a lot of options.

You must be Itzena's soccer hooligan cousin.

The point is that artificially restricting progress with hard daily resets is idiotic. This is a company that has made billions off of the game. It's not hard to find/build/present meaningful content. Vanity items such as mounts or xmog pieces only available during events, rotating CoT events, etc. Just because they won't do it doesn't mean dailies are the only way or anyone wants them. They are shitty.

Content used to be gated partially by skill and gear requirements with a dash of poopsocking. Now it's just wait 45 days and you get a free worthless gearscore upgrade along with every other idiot who logged in for 45 minutes every day.

And that's the biggest issue. They add about 5 hours of gameplay but make the end goal artificially blocked by 21 days of dailies that take 20 minutes and are no different than your normal levelling quest. Dailies don't add very much content to the game at all. They hide the fact that there is almost no new content added.

History suggests it is very hard to produce meaningful content in an expedited manner. No MMO has ever accomplished that feat. I'm not a fan of dailies and think a better system could be devised but you have to stretch out content somehow.

Blizzard is pumping out content in an expedited manner these days?

If they hadn't doubled the size of the team we'd be stuck in HFC for 3 years!

Is there a set date for Legion release?

Felmega_sl said:

Is there a set date for Legion release?

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No. Just a deadline of the end of september on the pre-sale. They want it out sometime either shortly before or after the movie launches.

Khane_sl said:

Blizzard is pumping out content in an expedited manner these days?

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Of course not, which is the point. Saying don't gate content just produce more is a nonsensical stance that has no basis in reality. They can only produce a finite amount that is consumed at a rate they can't even come close to matching so some form of gating is required. They have to keep people subbed; it is a business, not a charity.