World of Warcraft: Current Year

ilvl is fucking annoying and always has been, but it's the easiest way to tell if someone is geared enough or not. I guess that's the price you pay for not already having a guild to do something with and ultimately die with.

The Iron Tide: 6.0.2 Patch Notes

Looking forward to jumping back into this with my friends for a month or two until I burn out again!

Ao-_sl said:

fail raid after fail raid... fucking. I just want this fucking achievement.

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Yeah, I punted on it after the 587th fail raid. Not worth it.

I wonder in WoD with flex becoming "normal" if progression acheives like this will be Heroic/Mythic only. It creates such a weird atmosphere of desperation and ilvl insanity.

Ultimately I just hope they don't let the power scaling get so out of hand again. It's fucking retarded how much more effective a 565 can be than a 555.

Good luck on that, Ao-.

Shocked at how many guildies thought they could just come back today/hop on tonight after raid and expect to be carried/led through Gold CMs in the (then) 4 hours before 6.0 drops.

Murr_sl said:

Yeah, I punted on it after the 587th fail raid. Not worth it.

I wonder in WoD with flex becoming "normal" if progression acheives like this will be Heroic/Mythic only. It creates such a weird atmosphere of desperation and ilvl insanity.

Ultimately I just hope they don't let the power scaling get so out of hand again. It's fucking retarded how much more effective a 565 can be than a 555.

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This round the scaling was disgusting, but it's the product of a 125 difference in item levels from heroic dungeons blues to the last fully upgraded gearset. If I recall correctly the dps is about 10 to 12 times what's achievable in blue gear, then it varies depending on class and fight.
I can see all my alts in timeless gear or thereabout float between 60 and 80k dps and from there on it's a ramp up so stupidly fast it's depressing. It's like a totally different game.
If the stars align, this time I'll be able to play the xpack more regularly, so I'll make my own raids with a couple of friends and never again be subject to 100% pug stupidity. I read that the old normal, new heroic, will be scalable too, just like the old flex was, this would be amazing for me.

xzi_sl said:

ilvl is fucking annoying and always has been.

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I want to know why ilevel annoys you.

Sabbat_sl said:

I want to know why ilevel annoys you.

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It's not so much ilvl as it is how it's used, which I even posted, it's the easiest to tell who's geared or not. But I have on 3 different servers since gearscore was a thing been kicked from multiple groups for being like 5ilvl under the requirement because someone bitches about it. Despite almost always being top heals. That is what annoys me, and it's nothing to do with ilvl as it is with people. I played with a 570 shaman yesterday in SoO who kept breaking CC because "I do more damage when I AoE" yet they kick a mage for being 550 instead of 560+. It gets to a point where people ONLY look at ilvl and disregard everything else.

But hey it's whatever, if Ireallyhave a problem with it I should be starting my own raids, and while yes I will pay attention to ilvl, I will also kick a fucking retard even if he's higher ilvl than everyone else.

xzi_sl said:

But I have on 3 different servers since gearscore was a thing been kicked from multiple groups for being like 5ilvl under the requirement because someone bitches about it. Despite almost always being top heals. That is what annoys me, and it's nothing to do with ilvl as it is with people. I played with a 570 shaman yesterday in SoO who kept breaking CC because "I do more damage when I AoE" yet they kick a mage for being 550 instead of 560+. It gets to a point where people ONLY look at ilvl and disregard everything else.

But hey it's whatever, if Ireallyhave a problem with it I should be starting my own raids, and while yes I will pay attention to ilvl, I will also kick a fucking retard even if he's higher ilvl than everyone else.

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Wtf. Stop joining shit for which you don't meet the requirements. 100 percent of ilvl complaints are from people too lazy to run their own parties and want other people to put the logistical effort in for no reward. You even admitted to this but that didn't curb your QQ post.

Well in any reasonable situation there would be a fairly linear and altogether moderate increase is power as a function of ilevel. However players LIKE getting crazy powerful from upgrades and so keeping a pseudo exponential increase in power is a powerful market retention tool.

Requiring people to have an ilevel equal to or greater than that of the items which drop in the raid is just lunacy though.

I find that people that demand ilvls higher than the gear that drops just want a carry or face roll easy time. It's absolutely asinine.

Drakurii_sl said:

I'm not saying your wrong but what I'm reading on mmo-champ makes it look like heirlooms drop from any difficulty.

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Nah, Watcher responded to the question on Twitter. Raid Finder will not drop heirlooms.

Eidal_sl said:

Wtf. Stop joining shit for which you don't meet the requirements. 100 percent of ilvl complaints are from people too lazy to run their own parties and want other people to put the logistical effort in for no reward. You even admitted to this but that didn't curb your QQ post.

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I'm.. not? I was just saying why I find ilvl annoying. I don't care, I've got my own tank and my own group going. I'm just stating how silly it can be when people specifically look at ilvl and nothing else, which is what the game has become. And that is totally fine, people can run their raids how they want.

Also, I'm kind of excited to do UBRS again today..

Let me understand, because we euros can't see shit till tomorrow: they did a UBRS revamp and stopped to rend's arena instead of going to Drakkisath? Did they seal off the LBRS part with the usual lame closed door?

xzi_sl said:

I'm.. not? I was just saying why I find ilvl annoying. I don't care, I've got my own tank and my own group going. I'm just stating how silly it can be when people specifically look at ilvl and nothing else, which is what the game has become. And that is totally fine, people can run their raids how they want.

Also, I'm kind of excited to do UBRS again today..

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That is *not* what the game has become.

That is what pubbie groups, LFR, and other "the least amount of effort to see content" has become. And it's because everyone there, including you if you're in it, wants. No effort, just want to smash content and see drops. You don't want to spend effort learning a fight, working with a group, just a simple metric for pass/fail, and move on.

If you don't want to deal with the stupid shit like "your ilevel must be twice as high as the gear that drops here", you join a raiding guild. Sure, there's still the odd guild out there that'll only focus on ilevel, but most will look at the entire picture - why did you die, why did we die, if we did die, who is doing poorly on meters, then see if their ilevel is the problem (or is their rotation bad, etc).

Note that I'm actually not bashing LFR or shitty pubbie groups. That's what I'm living right now. I just accept it for what it is, because that's the entire point of it. If I want to get more serious, I'll rejoin a raiding guild (but with a baby due in a month, not gonna bother, hah).

xzi_sl said:

It's not so much ilvl as it is how it's used, which I even posted, it's the easiest to tell who's geared or not. But I have on 3 different servers since gearscore was a thing been kicked from multiple groups for being like 5ilvl under the requirement because someone bitches about it.

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It's because a great majority of the internet are gigantic fucking pieces of shit with no decency or even the balls to just be like 'hey man, we gotta drop you for X reason.' Mother fuckers in openraid/oq are some of the biggest limpdicked pieces of shit I've seen in games. That mask of anonymity & 0 repercussions for being a douche nozzle make playing the game unbearable a lot of the time.

I actually joined an oq troll raid once on Malk. The leaders were pulling like 100k and running circles around puddles, and kicking the best performers and giving weird reasons and talking nonsense. I'm guessing they were butthurt about being kicked from some other raid and were trying to make other people feel inadequate or something. Was very, very strange. I was a bit fascinated by it - I stuck around in raid chat while they just got weirder and weirder. It was one of the most juvenile things I've ever witnessed online. Then I one shot Garrosh and got a heirloom.

Here's to hoping survival is still able to perform on raids today. Sigh. Marks is only good for one thing - turret mode raid bosses. But if it's really 20-30% better than the other specs, even I can't ignore that.