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EricJuly/youngrippa59/rippaverse, and Ethan van scriver were fighting about something. I have no idea what.
well, actually, looking over video titles. I can't find too muhc, but I think I see mention of tracing/lightboxing.
I think ethan called him out on it and they started fighting?
I suppose I should give my 2cents. without watching the vid fully, or ethans accusations/crits at all.
First off, the end product is what matters most. Tons of great artists use models, use 3d assets, mockups, etc. I would MUCH rather an artist take the time to make a 3d model of a room, and get it right, then freehand it and fuck it up constantly.
I think I mentioned, one of the indie books I did recently having a house exterior... and on the inside a staircase that turned left into a hallway, that could not possibly work from outside. 3 stories inside, a dojo in the attic, that is not possible from the outside.
The issue is largely when they trace, or use models and its just so very obvious, with no real artist imput, or creativity. take the base, add your creativity over it. if I can immediately TELL that its just traced. ew.
The classic perfect example of this was Normal rockwell.
as the notes here outright point out. He took his photo, and exaggerated it all. this is how you do it.
Its a comic book, it should have heightened reality. so just copying 3d assets, porn, or photos is really stupid.
The next issue is then referencing YOUR own photos or art, versus someone elses... Look, I'm not going to pay for a drone shot of NYC skyline, so I think its obvious there is some level that using other peoples photos, art is acceptable. but... just where is that line? thats hard to say.
composition is a big part of the pencillers job. stealing that is a big no-no to me... but at the same time, "homage" is ok, and its ok if you expressly make note of your "borrowing" of it imho.
and, it should be noted. I'm paying you for YOUR art, not someone elses. so if you are just stealing art. why am I paying you, and not them? which kindof goes back to the original statement on referencing. take the base.. but make it your own, and it can be ok.
..oh, I'm just realizing that elevator door from older posts was from Isom#2. so that was Eric's comic. so was it all from that? yeah, Ethan was right to call his team out on that shit.
I wonder what exactly happened from there? Ethan can be a jackass. Artists make mistakes, I'd just apologize for the screwup. I've certainly made mistakes that got printed. Did Eric not apologize and take it badly? or did Ethan just hound him about it? Ethans business model atm is those livestreams, and picking fights, creating drama...
The problem is I wasn't exaggerating about the amount of 3D art assets used in the books. That page above? Yes, everything you see really are art assets someone else created, that the comic "artist" then copy/pasted onto the page, after aligning them properly in his computer program. Some autist found the art asset package this "artist" purchased, and showed side-by-side pics of buildings, cars, furniture, etc., that all appear in these books. This wasn't tracing, shadowboxing, referencing pics etc - it was literally cut and paste. And no EJ hasn't apologized. He won't even admit it happened, even though the evidence is there for everyone to see. He just keeps lying about it. He lies a lot.
Then on TOP of that, Eric July can't write. At all. The "story" is nonsensical, nothing actually happens, and the "hero" acts like a typical angry black man who you would assume is the villain, unless told otherwise.
This is a LEGIT example of the emperor having no clothes, and a lot of people are afraid to say that. Those that do get "othered". EJ acts like all the SJWs he supposedly opposes.
EVS wasn't even the one who started all this. Hell he did a variant cover for ISOM #2 for EJ. Regardless, I've seen multiple shows EJ's been on, and then seen how he talks about them after the fact, and he just lies and misrepresents things a lot. Something I haven't seen his detractors doing. As such I have a hate boner for him, because it bothers me when bad people fool so many people into thinking they are actually good.
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