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Arbitrary

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Rather than scale up character power for being outnumbered they could scale up the Warfront rewards. You still get your dick knocked into the dirt the same amount but instead of a 10% bonus to war resources and AP maybe it scales up to 20/30/40+% if you're just completely fucked. Maybe include a few WQs that only appear when you're super outnumbered and also have had Warmode on for X hours.

I don't know, something, anything.
 
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Korillo

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Every census and blizzard themselves say there are more alliance players. My experience is alliance players are worse then horde players on average.

Blizzard literally acknowledged the imbalance back in July. Blue post . They also acknowledged it in late August after the launch of BFA, I can't find the post though atm.

Edit: Actually it looks like the made an Updated Blue Post about it yesterday. They claim it has improved. I haven't played warmode for months, I suppose it's possible but I find it hard to believe. Regardless, I don't think they could ever provide enough incentive for me to turn warmode on. It turns 45 mins of world questing into 2 hours. Not worth. If I want to PvP I will queue up for arena or bgs/rbgs.
 
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Khane

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They acknowledged it at Blizzcon as well and mentioned scaling rewards up until balance is achieved
 

Arbitrary

Tranny Chaser
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As a Horde player whenever I would join a raid or mythic+ group it felt like nearly everyone had Warmode on.
 
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kaid

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As a Horde player whenever I would join a raid or mythic+ group it felt like nearly everyone had Warmode on.

Probably because there is almost no reason not to have it flipped on for horde. Generally they will outnumber alliance heavily so what do they have to lose. If some alliance comes at you call in the pose and stomp them flat until they quit.
 

Sabbat

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It's so strange to see people complain about the massive amount of Horde in warmode, when in my experience it's the complete opposite. The largest PvP server in the Australian cluster is Frostmourne, every other servers population is dwarfed by Frostmourne's. Most importantly though, pre-BFA, Frostmourne was almost totally Alliance. It was a very, very brave person that still played on Frostmourne as Horde, and rarer than Invincible. The pop imbalanced was caused by the massive advantages Alliance have in Arena, Every Man For Himself is the greatest of the reasons for the racial imbalance.

Barthilas had a pretty even split between Horde and Alliance, but almost all other servers lean towards Alliance.

So, BfA, and warmode becomes a thing, here on the Australian cluster, Alliance outnumbers Horde in world pvp almost 3-1. While it's great for Hordies with a few friends that like to PvP, it's not so great for the solo pvp player. But that's the point though right? either group up, or turn your flag off. Stop bitching.
 

BoozeCube

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Whats strange is seeing how dead this thread is as well as the game. It's amazing these stupid faggots made it so fucking bad the whole board quit.
 
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BoozeCube

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We've all quit and subbed to EQ. Anyone want to help me with my ranger epic?

I am desperate for a new MMO but I am not dumb enough to play EQ again. Shit is old and busted.

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Arbitrary

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For a while I was really struggling with gear. The Mythic+ chest wasn't putting out and neither where the Warfronts. I had a couple item slots that were just always lagging behind. Then a pug Zul shat out a 390 titanforged cloak with socket followed by a titanforged ring from the shitty weekly worldboss the next morning and then a warforged belt (the last slot I had trash in) later in the week. It was so fucking stupid and not satisfying at all to get thrown a loot pity fuck as all the tumblers line up and it's a warforge/titanforge bonanza. I started to see the entire game as a long list of chores and for each chore you complete you got one (weighted) pull on the loot slot machine. When I started to really consider doing LFR shit just because it might titanforge I knew I was done.

Fuck off with this "do a chore get a pull" mobile game horseshit and give me some stable goddamn itemization.
 
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Merrith

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Whats strange is seeing how dead this thread is as well as the game. It's amazing these stupid faggots made it so fucking bad the whole board quit.

Just amazed that somehow it was only just "this" expansion that made some people quit. Granted I've been on and off with the game since the end of TBC because of the same old shit. Took a 6+ year time away from it from during Cata to end of Legion. I stopped logging in now too but I didn't see anything in the current game that was any worse overall than some of the other dumb stuff they've had going on in other times I came back briefly. It just gets tiresome eventually and when you have other shit going on no reason to keep devoting time to the game.

Maybe a lot of people just finally hit their breaking point at once.
 

a_skeleton_05

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Just amazed that somehow it was only just "this" expansion that made some people quit. Granted I've been on and off with the game since the end of TBC because of the same old shit. Took a 6+ year time away from it from during Cata to end of Legion. I stopped logging in now too but I didn't see anything in the current game that was any worse overall than some of the other dumb stuff they've had going on in other times I came back briefly. It just gets tiresome eventually and when you have other shit going on no reason to keep devoting time to the game.

Maybe a lot of people just finally hit their breaking point at once.

WoD almost destroyed the game and they had one chance to make up for it which was to start making good expansions and keep at it. They accomplished that with Legion, and then promptly fell flat on their face with BFA. You only get to make so many mistakes before your fans leave you for other shit. I doubt they will be able to recover even after a good expansion after BFA. The damage is done and the writing is plain that they blew their load with Legion and all that's left is the sputtering sadness and shame.
 

Xaven

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WoD almost destroyed the game and they had one chance to make up for it which was to start making good expansions and keep at it. They accomplished that with Legion, and then promptly fell flat on their face with BFA. You only get to make so many mistakes before your fans leave you for other shit. I doubt they will be able to recover even after a good expansion after BFA. The damage is done and the writing is plain that they blew their load with Legion and all that's left is the sputtering sadness and shame.

Mod: Please change title to, "World of Warcraft: Sputtering Sadness and Shame".

Thank you.
 
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Nola

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Blizzard only had one job and that is to make good games. They fucked that up with Diablo and now they're doing it with WoW.
 
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a c i d.f l y

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Just amazed that somehow it was only just "this" expansion that made some people quit. Granted I've been on and off with the game since the end of TBC because of the same old shit. Took a 6+ year time away from it from during Cata to end of Legion. I stopped logging in now too but I didn't see anything in the current game that was any worse overall than some of the other dumb stuff they've had going on in other times I came back briefly. It just gets tiresome eventually and when you have other shit going on no reason to keep devoting time to the game.

Maybe a lot of people just finally hit their breaking point at once.
Cata and WOD were a lot the same. I played through the initial scenarios, got the reputations, played through the first raids in LFR. BFA I haven't even bothered with LFR and there is significantly less content or objectives to get through. In Cata you had an almost weekly progression of phased dailies that took 3 months to cap out (after which I also quit). In WOD you had a shit ton of things you could do with your garrison (at least for a few months, after which I also quit).

I came in late for Mists, but by that time there was just the right amount of things to keep me busy. For several months and SoO is still one of the better raids to date, especially after they added the mythic version.

BfA is literally the bare bones of an expansion. The Warfront progression and reputations are done in 60 or less days, islands are pointless, actual Warfronts are 20 minutes once every month... So you're down to a weekly m+ key and a raid, both of which are obnoxious in their gear allowance or their playability. Then even crafting is time gated behind running shit you don't need for a currency you might not even get when you scrap an item... They squeezed everything out of virtually everything, when they should have been expanding/improving on everything that came before. That's the whole idea behind "expansion", it should expand the experience, not reduce, minimize or make everything inconsequential.

Legion, minus legendaries was damn near perfect, even with the other dumb shit like Khadfag. World quests were done right, they fucked that up with the rewards and density in BfA. Every area felt cohesive and part of the whole, in BfA every area feels entirely disjointed. Even the mission board was essentially perfected from the original in WOD to something that's damn near pointless in BfA. Artifact weapons had a progression that initially sucked for alts, but at least every point felt meaningful or impacted your power in some way - power progression was tangible. The artifact necklace level? After the initial Azerite traits that themselves don't feel very impactful, an additional 2 ilvl to the neck offers zero encouragement. I feel zero impact when I go from a 340 to a 375 piece other than possibly losing a defensive artifact trait, or sacrificing the outter ring trait that is supposedly 300dps better...

Azerite traits could have been done so much better where you unlock them from a list and you can change or switch between them. Higher level raids should introduce new traits, and you can freely swap them out. Being locked to a piece of gear is fucking trash worse than legendary traits. They clearly didn't learn from the artifact relic trait system, which was really just fluff on top of a plethora of other systems, that has been relegated into primary gear pieces. And fuck, that shit is doubly awful.

They could have literally kept the same Legion shit in place and released new areas and I'd be happy as fuck. Instead they fuck up the GCD, talents, and fail miserably balancing the feel of classes without their artifact weapon ability.

8.1 isn't going to fix any of this. It's just going to increase the number of times I can pull on the rng lever doing the same, limited bullshit.
 
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Merrith

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Cata and WOD were a lot the same. I played through the initial scenarios, got the reputations, played through the first raids in LFR. BFA I haven't even bothered with LFR and there is significantly less content or objectives to get through. In Cata you had an almost weekly progression of phased dailies that took 3 months to cap out (after which I also quit). In WOD you had a shit ton of things you could do with your garrison (at least for a few months, after which I also quit).

I came in late for Mists, but by that time there was just the right amount of things to keep me busy. For several months and SoO is still one of the better raids to date, especially after they added the mythic version.

BfA is literally the bare bones of an expansion. The Warfront progression and reputations are done in 60 or less days, islands are pointless, actual Warfronts are 20 minutes once every month... So you're down to a weekly m+ key and a raid, both of which are obnoxious in their gear allowance or their playability. Then even crafting is time gated behind running shit you don't need for a currency you might not even get when you scrap an item... They squeezed everything out of virtually everything, when they should have been expanding/improving on everything that came before. That's the whole idea behind "expansion", it should expand the experience, not reduce, minimize or make everything inconsequential.

Legion, minus legendaries was damn near perfect, even with the other dumb shit like Khadfag. World quests were done right, they fucked that up with the rewards and density in BfA. Every area felt cohesive and part of the whole, in BfA every area feels entirely disjointed. Even the mission board was essentially perfected from the original in WOD to something that's damn near pointless in BfA. Artifact weapons had a progression that initially sucked for alts, but at least every point felt meaningful or impacted your power in some way - power progression was tangible. The artifact necklace level? After the initial Azerite traits that themselves don't feel very impactful, an additional 2 ilvl to the neck offers zero encouragement. I feel zero impact when I go from a 340 to a 375 piece other than possibly losing a defensive artifact trait, or sacrificing the outter ring trait that is supposedly 300dps better...

Azerite traits could have been done so much better where you unlock them from a list and you can change or switch between them. Higher level raids should introduce new traits, and you can freely swap them out. Being locked to a piece of gear is fucking trash worse than legendary traits. They clearly didn't learn from the artifact relic trait system, which was really just fluff on top of a plethora of other systems, that has been relegated into primary gear pieces. And fuck, that shit is doubly awful.

They could have literally kept the same Legion shit in place and released new areas and I'd be happy as fuck. Instead they fuck up the GCD, talents, and fail miserably balancing the feel of classes without their artifact weapon ability.

8.1 isn't going to fix any of this. It's just going to increase the number of times I can pull on the rng lever doing the same, limited bullshit.

I guess I miss some of this because I didn't come back for Legion until final raid zone was out (although early on for that, and had enough time to level up from 85, catch up reps and all that shit). World Quests frankly don't seem much different either way when you're grinding stuff, maybe it was different earlier in Legion. Rep grind seemed about the same, then got to the point in BFA where I just did the AP ones and that was it, easy. I got to skip the entire weapon grind at start of Legion, basically you hit max level and got every trait handed to you by the time I returned.

As for the areas, I liked Legion's but BFA's zones actually feel better to me, especially the Horde ones. I agree about all the complaints regarding warfronts and islands (even if I think Islands are still fun in small doses), but I didn't see much benefit from side shit in Legion like invasions. Basically only content for alts to catch up, which is what warfronts feel like as well.

I missed WoD completely, and I know Garrisons were basically nerfed to hell by the time I came back for Legion. This is one area I'll agree BFA is sorely lacking, the mission table. Completely underwhelming version that even what little bit of Garrisons I messed with while leveling to 100 and class hall did much, much better. The rewards, stupid shit (like Stealth mission that requires hired guys to counter cursed modifier, etc), even the research options are extremely lacking compared to what you could get out of your class hall.
 

kaid

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Just amazed that somehow it was only just "this" expansion that made some people quit. Granted I've been on and off with the game since the end of TBC because of the same old shit. Took a 6+ year time away from it from during Cata to end of Legion. I stopped logging in now too but I didn't see anything in the current game that was any worse overall than some of the other dumb stuff they've had going on in other times I came back briefly. It just gets tiresome eventually and when you have other shit going on no reason to keep devoting time to the game.

Maybe a lot of people just finally hit their breaking point at once.

Cata made me quit I didn't play pandaria at all until like 2 months before the expansion was over. Different triggers hit different people and sometimes you just need to walk away if the game is not fun for you.
 

Mahes

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Just amazed that somehow it was only just "this" expansion that made some people quit. Granted I've been on and off with the game since the end of TBC because of the same old shit. Took a 6+ year time away from it from during Cata to end of Legion. I stopped logging in now too but I didn't see anything in the current game that was any worse overall than some of the other dumb stuff they've had going on in other times I came back briefly. It just gets tiresome eventually and when you have other shit going on no reason to keep devoting time to the game.

Maybe a lot of people just finally hit their breaking point at once.

Legion was actually a very well done expansion. It was one of the few that I did not stop playing through. Compared with BFA, Legion was the holy grail of expansions. I actually did not mind WoD as much as many seem to. The Garrisons, while certainly far from perfect, were better than what exists now. That being said, I think the disdain for BFA is pretty universal compared to other expansions. The breaking point had nothing to do with a build up. It had everything to do with the expansion.
 
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Merrith

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The breaking point had nothing to do with a build up. It had everything to do with the expansion.

I get this, I just felt there's been plenty of other bad expansions/patches that would have triggered people well before this one became "the" one. I probably missed out on what made Legion so good by the fact I barely touched Cata, and didn't play MoP or WoD at all. Still coming in for the last patch of Legion, catching completely up, I definitely got tired of it a good couple months before BFA launched. Probably only played again last December through about April/May. Came back a couple days before BFA launch and played it up until 2 weeks ago (it's not just the game for why I quit again, too many other things going on to devote time to raiding even a couple days a week).