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no there seems to be a default innate structure to biological organisms, the type of behaviorism you and mist have been talking about through reward structures is Pavlovian in nature, you can teach a bear to ride a bicycle if you beat it enough is what you guys have been essentially arguing...

regardless of how moldable people are, there is a question of innate structure that gives tendancies or common traits to genders. do you realize how highly manipulative and controlling you'd have to be to actually impose those behaviorism methods on society to achieve your idealistic goals?, it...

Malaysia Airlines MH17: Russian media says the CIA did it

that's what i'm saying, it's such an obtuse charge, "omg they have a weapons cache", i'm showing how absurd that single charge is. if you want to talk about a weapons cache, this is a huge weapons cache Report: US Stockpiling Weapons in Israel

keep aligning yourself ideologically with people like this, you're doing great here bro. A+ entertainment Mark Levin Rants Against Jon Stewart over Israel | Mediaite

yes? they keep the Swiss guards stuff in the Vatican WHY IS THE POPE KEEPING WEAPONS IN A CHURCH, is he holding those nuns hostage omg hysterics?!?

fundamentally i'm against all religous governments including Israel, iran, saudi, tis. Secular states that have Islamic culture and aren't fundamentally broken otherwise like turkey or the central Asian states don't appear to show this.

who doesn't have a weapons cache? I think even the pope has one.

Z. Brzezinski: Netanyahu 'Not Man Enough' to Broker Peace Deal

try as they did they couldn't scare this monkey to cling to the abhorrent looking construct that offered food vs the fuzzy looking motherly construct that didn't offer food.

The laws of conquest and the right to take land by force was actual international law and ruled the day until the united nations charter was formed and signed I believe, since then that act hasn't been a basis of international law. Right of conquest ~ International law and the Arab Israeli...

israel has occupied palestinian area's for ~60 years, way before hamas was ever elected

If you mistreat a caged animal and it attacks a person do we blame the animal or the people who keep it?

then when weren't there societies with "gender roles" is there ANY evidence for them?

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I do respect that position and I do hold the Israeli's to a higher standard because they're the more "civilized" and "rational" party I view those actions from Sunni's as the expression of fanatics lashing out in a repressed state, maybe they're fundamentally more savage culture and people as...

If we could overcome our innate biological framework completely PTSD would never exist. There's limits and tendencies and no amount of social mysticism will change that, there's an innate biological structure to every creature and every aspect of every creature on the planet except the...

What do neuroscientists say about Noam Chomskys universal grammar theory? - Quora

that's literally what arab sunni's are trying to recreate, sans the turks

obviously not if you have to use specifically targeted brainwashing to achieve the results you want there's really no difference in position between mists and Ignatius loyala that said "if you get them young enough the possibilities are endless" of course Pavlovianly training everybody to fit...

right but you seem to concede the point that there is an initial innate structure that recruits share. whether or not you can mold people hasn't really been in contention for a few thousand years far as I knew. If you want to be highly manipulative and controlling you can do practically whatever...

This kind of shows a universal innate structure in humans doesn't it? There's conditioning that has to overcome or encourage commonly held innate responses possessed between people, like fear and aggressiveness most of the military training is used to contend with common innate responses...

No you're not, it's pretty obvious there is an innate structure to the way we perceive the world, we are genetically gifted to perceive things like geometric shapes, or harmonic sounds, differentiate rigid bodies in motion, these are universal aspects of cognition that are uncontroversial, but...

this is potatoe/potato everything is external stimuli, the question is how it interacts on internal innate structure and what tendancies those structures would manifest even when you vary stimuli. everybody accepts the concept of innate structure to some degree. you'd have to elaborate more on...

that's only true if you ignore pre 1947 history

The type of foods you eat seem to actually make you hungrier or more sated, fats definitely sate you quicker while refined carbohydrates seem to increase hunger/eating.

the huge problem I have with tanoomba's arguement is he says everything is external stimuli, without crediting the interaction it has on internal innate mechanics, of course everything is external stimuli dummy, the question is what is the interactions all these external stimuli have on internal...

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why was that form of advertising more effective than previous versions? the same amount of "environmental conditioning" took place for previous advertising but it wasn't as effective when it appealed directly to rational decision making process. the whole point is to show that people aren't...

Aristotle/plato/socrates were wrong on alot of the things they said too, but it was a good place to start contemplating logic from practically nothing, I don't begrudge Freud for not fully understanding everything, but that's where investigation into this area started. notice I didn't link any...

the techniques work pretty universally across all societies that have radically different environmental influences, you like to throw the word "feels" around and say it's untestable but never apply the principle to your own awkard explanations.

People are not rational beings, having bacon and eggs for breakfast was sold on this principle

you're just literally making shit up as you go along to fit your preconceived notions, how scientific. how can you know this at all? all the corporate psychologists that make millions of dollars figuring out ways of manipulating people's desires to sell products do their job based on...

seriously you've never heard of sigmund freud? we don't have nearly as well an idea what's going on like we do in physics but it's pretty obvious the unconcious/subconcious plays a huge role in decision making. http://www.donvanravenzwaaij.com/Pap...al,%202014.pdf...

tanoomba's so far off base he literally went off the reservation. Edwared bernays get's a hundred million+ woman to smoke cigarettes based on appealing to their subconscious desires The irony of this example is the well documented base manipulation of a woman's movement by appealing...

It's ironic that Israel uses the idea that Palestine denies Israel's right to exist while they've been occupying their land for ~60 years literally denying them a state to exist.

The frontal lobe is far less in control than you think tanoomba, most of the actions you do in a day are driven at a subconscious level, it's far more influential in the overwhelming majority of people, Most of the decision making you think is done by the frontal lobe isn't actually driven by...

yeah those were mujahideen / pashtun / taliban

it was a mistake they dun goofed, otherwise you're implying accidents NEVER happen.

and alex jones, before it's news and godlike productions are on your side. that's a great way to argue.