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In my view, you're trying to obfuscateabortionto the point where there is no answer. You've been introducing ideas that are tangentially related to a decision to abort. You brought up different factors that may prevent fertilization or a zygote from being viable, including something about cilia...

I would believe you if you gave an argument about why spontaneous death of the zygote or fetus relates to the morality of induced abortions where the zygote / fetus is thought to be viable at the time.

And the point of this thread is to talk about all aspects ofabortion(induced and spontaneous), including physiology and fetal development? My impression was that this thread is about inducedabortionin situations where the zygote is thought to be viable and whether or not it constitutes taking a...

I didn't know this was a thread about the different types ofabortionand their mechanisms. Someone please unconfuse one of us

I don't understand what you're talking about, lol. You're talking about something different than the DECISION to have anabortion. Honestly, you're confusing yourself by adding unrelated aspects of fetal development. Fetal development is a different topic.Abortionis a decision to eliminate life...

I hate this thread. I was at the bank today wondering if the lady at the counter was a tranny because of her flat butt, large hands and feet

It's simple. Just focus on the decision to have anabortion. If you decide to abort, you've eliminated ANY possibility of life for the zygote. Yes, the zygote may not become a person anyway, but that's beside the point. If, at the time you abort, you knew that if left alone, the zygote would...

No offense, but there has to be some descriptive reasons as to why you wanted kids. Yes, you may be able to write a book, but even a book has a few main points, and I'd love to know people's main points I'm not looking for anything quantifiable. I'm actually looking for qualitative answers...

Most of the "reasons" provided aren't really reasons at all. In the list I provided, only #3 is a reason; the others don't explainwhya particular person had kids. For example, if you've always wanted kids, what is the underlying reason? I'm trying to dig deeper than some superficial thoughts...

I'm curious, what reasons are people having kids then? Creating a new person to improve society? The joys of raising a new person genetically related to them? Or are they not thinking anything (but just making sure they're financially able to support the kids)? So far, we've gotten a lot of...

People are making this too complicated. Abortion= consciously ending the possibility of life for the zygote / fetus / baby, knowing that the alternative is allowing it to become a person A zygote that dies by itself has had no conscious decision maker act on it; therefore, there's no...

I hate remembering my dreams because the dream world is a lot more entertaining than real life

Way too much bullying in this thread

I've run one, and I felt better during the marathon than after? lol I think the point of that article is that we tend to enjoy a person / object more if we: 1) Make the decision to put our resources into it 2) Know that we've invested a lot in it Not really groundbreaking information...

Here's an interesting perspective on the joys of having children (i.e., since you're stuck with them and they cost a lot, you may as well make the most out of the experience): http://healthland.time.com/2011/03/0...ds-is-foolish/

Not sure that's true right now. Also, if OLEDs are prone to image retention (and I think they are), then they probably won't be great laptop screens.

I think you are confused about what can be questioned in a moral framework. Like I said before, if you make a conscious decision and act upon it, then that act can be morally scrutinized. Once a zygote has formed, if you make the decision to abort it, you've eliminated the possibility of life...

But what if the baby causes her to change and look at life differently

1) If you left your blood alone, it wouldn't become a baby 2) Mother nature aborting fetuses isn't a moral question 3) I've made a good argument that life starts at conception without using religion

Lumie planned for FoH forums to die before 12/21/12 so he won't have to answer to us

Article is pretty old, and LGs white OLED tv won't suffer from the lower life expectancy of blue oleds.

Is everyone on this board a model or something?

Have you used an OLED cellphone or a PS Vita? It looks quite a bit better than LCD in every way. The problem is public perception. I don't think people will be able to tell much of a diff at Best Buys, and currently OLED costs much more to make, AND LCD tech is still advancing. Eventually I...

Hmm what? Morality = conscious actions. A woman consciously refusing sex will never lead to a baby in the future, therefore a conscious action to abort can't ever be morally considered. Any other takers? I didn't think I could come up with a logical and scientific reason to believe that life...

Someone please debunk my argument above! I can't think of any logical counter arguments!

So here's a sort of scientific explanation: 1) According to science, time is an illusion. The future and past should technically be accessible in the present (or something to that effect). 2) You make a decision to have unprotected sex and a zygote forms 3) You make a decision to end the...

Secret's out, I'm a skinny asian

Sorry, I tend not to use the best words to express my opinions. What I'm trying to say is that I believe morality is based on decisions and actions that affect the future. These decisions and actions will cause a ripple that extends far into the future, etc. etc. hocus pocus. TLDWT (too long...

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I'm an atheist, but abortion is a sensitive topic for me, considering my spirituality. Your views on abortion are contingent on when you believe life begins, whether you think it's ok if life is taken without pain / suffering, when you believe a being develops a consciousness, whether women...

Dunno man, there were only 140 or so patients for all the carbamazepine studies (and the evidence for other treatments is poor, according to the UTD stuff you posted). That kinda asks for a more broad / person-specific approach since the evidence is lacking. But ya, I'm not sure PT will help...

I got sweet, happy, peace, and elegant. I must be the perfect man.

Meditation is never wrong, at least it doesn't hurt in this case. Not saying it's the only thing to do. With any disease / condition, I think there's a physiology and a mentality. Visits to the doctor / hospital will mostly improve the physiology, but you also have to deal with the mentality...

Give meditation a chance, really open your mind to the fact that it can change you, and here is Sam Harris leading you through a 5-10 minute session: http://youtu.be/ITTxTCz4Ums?t=29m17s

Hows to attach stuff? Anyway, I just got a 15" late 2011 MBP. It's sad that I don't get too excited about my computers anymore. I don't play games so much pretty any computer these days will perform well for me:

What is this shit

Easy, drive up in a van, wait until kids start flooding out of school, shoot your semi-automatic, kill 5-10 kids, then kill yourself.

That's a good way of looking at it. I guess the only way to fix / reverse this tragedy is to redouble our efforts and motivation to improve society / the lives of people around us.

It wouldn't surprise me if it were real. But if it were real, what difference would it make? No doubt a lot of us have surfed 4chan at some point, and the fact that this guy posted on 4chan isn't anything revealing. A lot of these types of posts are on 4chan...

Yes, change gun to something illegal and magically, people can't obtain it anymore. Edit: this was sarcasm if someone didn't catch the word "magically"