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Shills definitely exist but I don't think Blackwulf is one, nor is he tesotester. Their writing styles are totally different. Blackwulf just wants the game to succeed, much like many of the fans of WildStar do. That isn't a crime and it doens't make them shills. Your campaign against him or...

Uhh, that really doesn't prove anything. Somebody could have called him on it there or he might read this board. You really are going a bit off the deep end on all of this. You act like they baked your kids in an oven or something. Anyways, carry on. I wish there was something real from TESO...

Yep you nailed, except for the shutting down part. Even crappy mmo's make money and rarely shut down. Even if TESO is a disaster it will still pull in new players because of the IP and keep making money for years to come. It won't get WoW numbers but as all the other mmos have proven, you...

Yeah, I was wondering that too actually. I assumed they were independent, they would lose a lot of cred if they weren't. Then again maybe they are tired of the herd mentality that seems to have taken over in regards to TESO and WildStar. Rationality seems to have been lost in both of those...

Hmm, after reading the comments by the tester and the BetaCake mods, I'm not sure I can agree with UT and the rest of the pilers on. It may be a shill job but they come off as pretty legit. Not sure why BetaCake would want to lie about these things. I don't know whats going on behind the...

Hah, I logged into EQ the other day on one of my low level toons and he was by the chessboard. He's been parked there for years, have no idea why. What a memory trip. Killed a couple skeles while I was there and did bit of running around. Zone didn't age well but for whatever reason it still has...

Mmo's usually lay off a bunch of people after launch. It's a gypsy lifestyle.

Pretty much. I think the issue you are having is not understanding that while most of us may call mmos mediocre and uninspired, we still find them to be much better entertainment than other activities.

Lol. Aion's character builder can do most of what you asked for. Some people made really butt ugly toons in that game.

Lol, I play mmo's because they are entertaining. Don't play as much as I use to but that has more to do with RL obligations than the mmo's themselves. I assume everyone is pretty much the same way. Nobody plays mmos because they feel they have to. To even accuse people of that makes you sound...

The game might be crap on a silver stick and most of us will still buy it (raises hand - guilty as charged). Even crappy mmo's are fun for a short time right after launch, just because they are new and different. Also there are tons of other people to play with at launch, mmos are much more fun...

It depends. Some mmos are Pay to Win, Runes of Magic is a good example of that. Some mmo's are Buy to Play initially, but later purchases do not effect your power and are mostly cosmetic (Guild Wars 1 and 2). A lot of the new F2P conversions are like EverQuest's. You can play everything for...

Old school EQ twinking was cool, so was PL'ing. You had to have put in your time to twink and you had to have friends to PL. Neither was cheap in plat or time. Mudflation and modern mmo mindsets killed all that. I would love to have a harsh game to play again. I mean really, really harsh...

Looking forward to the F2P switch. Been meaning to give this game a go again but just never got around to it. Too many free games around keeping me occupied. Activision stated that they expect to lose a ton more WoW subs in the coming months, mainly because of the competition from F2P mmos...

Lot of stuff to respond to in there. Couple things first. I havent' worked in the industry for ages, and don't know anyone in mmo development. So I could give fuck all what they think. Second, I'm not white knighting the game. Just trying to keep some perspective. WAR wasn't all shit, it...

It did take a nosedive after T1 but there was still a lot of fun to be had at the endgame for certain types gameplay. For example, small group pvp action was very viable, something GW2 failed miserably at.

I was pretty circumspect in my response. You are just in typical hyperbolic mode. You have reverted to your previous personality. I enjoyed your posts much more when you were reasonable. The facts are that even though WAR ultimately failed, many hardcore DAoC guilds stuck with it for a lot...

I agree that T1 was awesome, but when you claimed that it was the ONLY good thing about WAR then you are the one being retarded.

That's your opinion, but you are a pve hero. PvP types found a lot to like in WAR. It didn't last, but in hindsight WAR's RvR pvp was much better than any mmo release since then, with the exception of maybe GW2. Lots of DAoC guilds stuck with WAR for over a year and enjoyed it in spite of it's...

War did a ton of things right. And I really believe if they had had 3 factions instead of two that it would have been a long term success. War had other issues but they were minor imo. Any open world pvp mmo that only has 2 factions is impossible to balance and doomed to failure. War's PvE...

Got your jimmies rustled? I guess you missed the part in the SECOND line where I said I was guilty of it myself. Read the whole thing before responding next time.

No, I get it. You have to hang your hat on something. It's just been amusing to watch you all from the sidelines as you build your hopes up over hype videos. I've been guilty of it myself, we all have. GW2 was my holy grail, and it actually was a good game for the most part. Disappointing in...

I scanned through this thread and did a cursory google search and I don't see any real info other than the cartoony graphics and standard hype videos to judge this game by. I am surprised so many here claim this game is the next coming of Jesus when all you are going on is hope. The herd...

Yep. Why pay for WoW when there are a baziilion clones that offer the same crappy PvE for free. Although, if a mmo was different enough, I wanted to play it and no F2P mmo provided the same experience, then a sub would be fine. EVE is an example, every now and then I sub up for a few months...

While that is true, there are also other reasons games cost much more now. Games are much more complex than they were 10 years ago and that trend is continuing. Art assets take a ton more work than the old simple polygon models and 2d sprites of the past. The power on our desktops can do amazing...

Eliminating the PvE aspect has the potential to save a ton on dev costs. But even with those savings they will need more big investment dollars from somewhere. The paypal campaign is ongoing so they will have more than 5.2 mil from small kickstarter type donations, that won't be enough though...

Played this a couple years ago. Pretty good for what it is, quit when the Pay to Win aspect slapped me in the face.

SWTOR did a pretty good job with story, so it is possible to integrate into a mmo. It was the rest of that game's suckage that killed it.

Heheh, east coast? Just finished lunch here (don't tell my boss about the pint though).

Lol, you're trying to hard bro. And that is why I was laughing at you. If CU doesn't make it, I'll be mildly disappointed, but only for about 10 seconds. Anyways, as I said to Denaut, the back and forth is fun but it will be at least a year before anything tangible like an alpha is available...

Ok, now your trolling me. I already said I don't know him. Wish I did though, or any mmo dev. The only friends I have in the industry are the ones I worked with back then and we don't stay in touch much. A couple work for Sony on sports games, or did last time I talked to them. The others moved...

LOL wait, did you just call me a shill? I haven't worked in the industry for years (late 90's). The pay sucks and the hours are too long. Don't know anyone working on mmo's. And I sure as hell don't know anyone involved with CU. And all I have done is laugh at you screaming at the "piece of...

Those are very valid points. But you also make my case for me. Especially the team aspect. So it really doesn't make sense to pan the game this early in it's development. Since we won't know until at least alpha if MJ is screwing the pooch or not. Anyways, enough back and forth for me. Alpha...

You claim MJ sucks and yet he has delivered two very important games to the genre. Yes one failed but it still innovated and was a ton of fun for many more months than any other new mmo since. What have you done to back up your words? Build something that matters and maybe I'll listen to your...

It may have changed, but one of the things I saw in my few years in the industry was an incredible amount of wasted effort and idle time. The companies I worked for (large and small) were extremely inefficient at managing workers imo. A lot of artist time was wasted twiddling their fingers while...

That's your opinion and your welcome to it. But MJ has delivered more content that I actually enjoyed than you have. So forgive me if I glaze over your rants. Yes, MJ is far from perfect and neither was DAoC or WAR. But I spent more time in those two games than any other mmo except EQ. And I...

But it sounds more like a hissy fit between two rival cloths designers. Cat fight. Except one isn't participating. I'll wait until there is something concrete to actually review (see the TESO thread). Panning a dev wish list document is silly.

Considering the amount of time you and UT spend trashing a game that just got funded and is years away from release, I'm surprised you even have time to make coffee. And Draegan is disembling, nobody is whiteknighting devs here, and he knows it. We're all just laughing at the ridiculous...

If you are going to put all of WAR's failures on MJ then DAoC was great because of MJ. Most people realize that more than one person makes mmo's, and not just one person is responsible for it's success or failure. I'm sure you do to. My guess is you have a secret man love fetish for MJ but he...