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This is a much more reasonable explanation for WoW's third person preference, not some gay "look at me" assumption. But it isn't necessary to have 3rd person view to have lots of action. FPS games do pretty well in the marketplace last time I checked. Mmos haven't taken advantage of it because...

Many of my friends refuse to play rpgs or mmos because of the third person view. We all did fps lan parties for years. They like first person action and will not play any game without it. There is a huge portion of the gaming player base that feel that way. Basically, their viewpoint is that...

It might be good. Just have to wait and see. Making early pronouncements of suckage is par for the course here, but that isn't because of any prescience, most new mmos suck. It's an easy bet.

Lol, so much wrong with this statement and all based on assumptions you formed with your extreme WoW bias. EQ1 classic worked great and it was a first person game, it's third person controls were so clunky as to be unusable. You just assume that everyone wants WoW's third person view because...

Third person view is the beginning of the death of immersion. In first person games I play dudes, looking up and out at the world and sky the artists have dreamed up. Sometimes even feeling as if I might actually be there, if only for a short time. Didn't play chick toons until playing 3rd...

Short sighted devs are their own worst enemy.

He's getting better. And I really like hearing from people who have an international perspective, even if their english isn't the best.

VG was more of an EQ2 clone by design, And EQ2 was quest driven you fucking moron. WoW didn't invent quest driven play. So stop shitting up threads with your complete full retard idiocy. Playing a game to level 10 and then calling it a WoW clone because it has quests is one of the dumbest...

Been avoiding this discussion because frankly it's moronic. Gather 10 bear skin quests were not invented by WoW, EQ had a ton of them. Oh and by the way EQ is called EverQUESTfor those who forgot their glasses. I can't believe you fell for this idiocy Draegan.

Not many. But there were a couple of higher level players that lost corpses on my server, and I still remember them to this day. The danger that you might lose your corpse in EQ classic was usually just a lowbie experience. Once players were a high enough level, then losing a corpse in EQ was...

So you are a neckbeard laughing at neckbeards.... and proud of it

The main difference between EQ classic and WoW classic for me was the lack of danger in WoW. Sure WoW had the ui thing figured out and questing was easier but in every other way WoW seemed like an exact clone of EQ to me, except there was no danger, no excitement and no fun in WoW. And that...

The point is that you bringing up "Brilliant design" has very little to do with what makes a game fun, when accidents have just as much or more to do with it.. And obviously I said EQ was a better game "in my opinion". Again.. "brilliant design" doesn't matter, only if the game is fun. You...

WoW is "brilliantly designed" and yet it sucks, imo. Many of EQ's best features were accidents and yet EQ classic was a better game, imo. Many scientific advancements were accidents. It really doesn't matter in the end if a game is brilliantly designed or not, only if the game is fun. And I...

I agree that most mmos are mediocre to horrible in the long term. But in spite of that, I usually enjoy the first few weeks of most of them. Which is a lot more time than I spend in single player games that cost the same amount.

True. Sandbox is a very vague term and most people have differing definitions. Smed's definition is almost guaranteed to include things most of us will not agree with.

You haven't been following the discussion.

Lol, I don't care what EvE does with mega-server tech, or if they ever use it. It was just an example to refute a silly arguement.

That would work. We have been discussing world building tools, but have neglected what EQN might have for adventurers with these new tools. They are largest part of the playing public.

So they don't have cloaking devices in EvE? Come on, it's the same thing used in a different way. Give it up. Your arguments make no sense. I proved that EvE or any sandbox can make use of mega-server tech. You claimed it was impossible. Just the act of claiming something is impossible makes...

Probably not. Devs hate fun sometimes. But it would be great to have that in some form, somewhere in the game world.

Well obviously restrictions would apply. All mmo's have a number of restrictions in place to keep the 1 percent from ruining it for the rest. That's just good business. The tools AND the restrictions are what is being discussed. Nobody said it would be exactly like Minecraft. Minecraft is just...

heheh... We Know DRAMA

Well that's the point isn't it? The options EQN has in providing world building tools are endless and not restricted to Minecraft's.

Not in the way I applied it to EvE. In other games sure, there can be similarities but that depends on the devs involved. As I said in another post, mega-server is not a one size fits all solution. Star Citizen is just one way to implement it but not the only way. But if you are stuck inside...

So you are saying that Star Citizen and EvE are very similar... riiiight.

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And you completely missed the part where I said that for EvE it would only be used on a as need basis during the most intense battles. It could also add to EvE's intense battles by allowing more people to participate in a single system battle. A mega-server isn't a one size fits all solution...

Don't care what the details are about in Star Citizen. And if nobody knows, then Draegan shouldn't have made his statement either. But my general contention is correct, Draegan was wrong. Based on what little has been said by the Star Citizen devs, their game will be nothing like EvE.

No, it's not. Star Citizen is more like GW1 where instancing is a way of life. What I described is a way to implement a mega-server into EvE without changing the basic gameplay. Apples and oranges.

Like I said, a little imagination would solve all of your problems. A mega server isn't instancing in the standard sense, it's shards that you can travel between. If EvE used it they could then have 30,000 players (or more) fighting inside the same system. One way integrate that into EvE is...

Theme park has nothing to do with it. It works in every situation and can improve all mmos of every type. Even EvE could make use of the possibilites without diluting their core sandbox philosophy or their gameplay. Thinking a mega-server only works for theme park mmos just shows a serious lack...

Spreading people out is important in the early game when the initial rush of players overloads the servers. But after the game has aged and the population has stableized, then the problem becomes players being too spread out with nobody to play with. You can't fix both issues with the current...

Dailies and instanced dungeon grinds.... so far from what we were promised. I'll log in to this game again when it actually doesn't copy WoW. For now, GW1 is better.

Yep. I am one of those people who doesn't like WoW, but there are things about the game that are way above any other mmo. First off it runs excellent on just about any old piece of crap machine in existence and tied to that is the responsiveness that you get when playing the game. Secondly the...

/agree My first disapointment with STWOR was in beta. I rushed to level 15 to get my ship, thinking I would go into space and explore. But instead got a space rail game I have never liked in any form. Rail games suck. But I still really enjoyed the rest of the game at that point and bought...

While I don't doubt that EQNext will have a PvP element, stating that it has to be PvP focused to be an open world game is just wrong. As it is also wrong to state that a PvP focused game is necessary to grab the "majority of the market". Open worlds and sandbox do not mean PvP. PvP is just...

The only thing I got from that trailer is wow, are they getting good at making rendered cinematics look realistic. I wish some of these guys would make feature length films of these IP's. I'd rather go see that than play the games they advertise. But I'll play this game. As long as it keeps...

As someone said before this is a circular argument that is going nowhere. You are arguing apples and oranges. EQ had a different type of challenge than modern mmos. Everyone recognises that. Jumping up and down crying "EQ was easy!" just means you don't get it. All mmos are easy.. they are made...

Good points, but I still enjoyed the excitement of EQ way more than any mmo since. Needing skill doesn't make a game fun, it just means you have to practice muscle memory techniques... which as anyone who had ever taken piano lessons will tell you... is boring.