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A strict copy of EvE's zone system would never work for a fantasy based PvE game like EQNext. You can't create that many zones with unique art assets for one thing. Sure maybe with proceedural type stuff but it would still be bland and lifeless because mobs would be scattered and simplistic. And...

Haha.. good post. But your argument that only 20 people would play a EQ1 clone for a start, as well as your attacks on people who dispute that baseless claim. Much of your post I can agree with, some in modified form. Harsh death penalties can easily coexist with no penalties. As I suggested...

If you mean two boxing then they don't care. A large portion of their populace multi-boxes and it is easy to do. They don't actively encourage it but they love people spending cash on multiple accounts.

No, I just refuted your claim that it is all or nothing for them. SoE is a business, not a poker game.

Lol, and just when I was starting to listen to you, you had to go and ruin it with hyberbolic drivel such as this. If what you said were true then SoE would have been shut down a long time ago. Use some common sense.

No, SoE has had some success recently with Planetside and their version of F2P in their older games (as horrible as it is) must be profitable. So SoE doesn't have everything riding on this. And didn't they get turned down for the massive super multil gazillion dollar budget mmo? But instead...

Another way to add a sense of danger is to change the way leash mechanics and mob run speeds work. Leash mechanics in modern mmo's are all the same. Agro mob, run a certain distance, mob stops chasing you. Every mob has the same leash distance. That is predictable, boring and frankly...

Draegan, every argument you make is for another WoW clone. Do you not see how badly that has worked already for every WoW clone in existance? People are very, very tired of WoW. They keep trying every new mmo coming out hoping for something truly different, but it is always just a pale...

Tabula Rasa was a lot of fun. One of the things that killed it was the lack of viable PvP imo. It was a real pain to do because of flags and guild stuff. It needed PvP zones or some way to jump right into the action. Is there any form easy to get to PvP in Defiance?

I think you are wrong about the need for mass market games to be stupid easy pablum. Without danger there is no fear, challenge or fun. How that danger is introduced is a design decision, but it has to be there in some form or players get bored and lose interest very fast. How I would do...

Heh, and I consider graveyards to be one of the things that killed the danger of EQ. Graveyards could be kept but to keep the sense of danger that made EQ exciting there has to be some sort of risk. Something must be lost if you fail and it can't be just cash. Nobody is afraid to lose coin...

Good idea. Along with that some sort of find / summon corpse item that could be crafted. I know a lot of people hate looking for their corpse and it is a controversial play mechanic. But when it was taken out of EQ a huge part of the sense of danger died.

Of course, that goes without saying. I think everyone who is asking, wants a EQ1 clone that is a full fledged mmo with the old school rules and the new school look. Which you see as being impossible. Personally, I would rather just have the sense of danger EQ1 had, some of the classes...

All of which get easier to use every year and require less manpower. That was my original point. I can see the path to a EQ1 clone but the cliffs you need to navigate to climb that mountain I see as very improbable, and you see as impossible.

Yep, I agree Draegan. And the reasons you gave against are exactly the reasons why investors have refused to back even the possibility of a EQ1 clone. Whatever market there is is too niche in their eyes, and they want to maximise their return. And that is why I have continued to say that any...

First off, the point of my original post was that I don't see EQ1 being redone anytime soon, if ever. The two possibities I listed are it's only hope imo. And they are very dim hopes. But if someone wanted to hang their hat on those hopes then by just looking at the graph Mughal linked you...

Lol, true. But given the humoungous size of the internet population now, you still have young neckbeards willing to play EQ1 with modern graphics in huge numbers. But it is still too niche a market to ever convince the money guys to go for it. There is only 2 ways I see EQ1 being redone...

There are a whole lot more neckbeards on the interwebs now than there were in 1998. So in qwerty's defense there probably is a niche market for a EQ remake with modern graphics. BUT.. You will never convince the money guys to go for it. Like it or not, the cold truth is that investors care...

Hmm, could be. I always just buy the skill with tp asap on my alts. Getting around without a horse all the way to level 20 is a lot of loooong walks. Usually only takes a few hours to earn the tp on a new toon.

Riding skill costs 95 tp and a horse is 500 siver. Both of which are easy to earn in game. Doing deeds gives you 5 to 20 tp each. Stuff like killing 60 wolves etc. You can get the horse at level 5 if you buy the skill, you have to wait to level 20 if you are subbed and just want to do the quest.

Lol, that was an epic post of marketing pablum bs. Looks like they will not be implementing the most important feature for PvE, default overflow for all zones. Guesting will not help players stuck on servers with empty zones. So if you better transfer off now before they force you to pay for it.

Are you a gaming dev? If you are, then are you willing to tell us what you are working on? What is your vision for the game? What do you promise to deliver? When are you delivering it? etc, etc, etc. Are you willing to take the withering critisism when your game isn't what you promised...

I'm sure he saw it differently. His "vision" wasn't implemented perfectly and he got burned for it. But no game ever matched the initial vision. The same is true of every creative endeavor. Reality always changes the end product. Brad's biggest mistake was being naive enough to think the the...

I'm curious, does anyone actually think that Devs see any upside to commenting in public threads? What could they possibly say that wont be taken out of context and used against them in the future? Other than the most general marketing pablum that is... and even that would be ripped apart...

Not defending Curt or Brad here, but after the way most of the people on FoH turned on them like a pack of rabid dogs, I imagine most Devs are leary of ever opening themselves up to that. Gaming Devs have a different perspective on the business and the failure of Curt's endeavour. They don't see...

One of the most important things missing from your list is real danger. In EQ it was possible to lose all of your gear and levels, it was pretty hard to do but it was possible. Real danger is almost nonexistant in modern mmos. Eve has it in a fashion, but other than that all mmo's (and even...

Lol, you were the one claiming that everyone hates EQ. I was just refuting your idiocy. If you want to join the conversation, how about you try some intelligence and throw away the hyperbole and lies.

..and Pandas.

True, but EQ evolved along with the industry. The modern version of EQ is nothing like the original, and hasn't been for a very long time. EQ up to and including Velious seems to be the consensus version that most have enshrined in rose colored memory. I personally liked some of the things in...

Of all the new developments since EQ this is one of the worst.

Hyperbole much? Most people have fond memories of EQ and miss many of the things you talk about. I really miss old school pulling, open world dungeon crawls, old school enchanters, etc. As do most of us. I think most of us also agree that some of EQ's harsh systems could be successful in a...

Oh come on. I didn't say I didn't like it. I said there wasn't any where else to go. Reading comprehension ftw. edit: and yes farm mode was BORING. So I, like almost everyone else in end game raiding guilds, had a lot of "deaths in the family" breaks back then.

I played everquest for years, almost 4 years played on my SK alone, and that was before level 75 was max level. Everyone did, we didn't have a choice, until WoW came along. EQ and WoW (and a couple other minor mmos) were the only games around for a long time, so of course people played them for...

There aren't enough devs nor enough money to create the amount of content you are looking for in just one game. It isn't realistic to ask for it. Just consider all mmo's together as one giant mmo and then you have your answer. edit: Some sort of link between separate mmo's that allowed...

Lol, that's funny considering that I'm probably older than 99 percent of the people on this site. Having been around the block a few times, and all the other blocks nearby, we old folks like to see new sights. The point of my "rant" is that I like to play a bunch of mmo's. I don't leave them...

They use to but that ship has sailed. Again, there were very few choices when WoW came out. But now there are so many mmo's out that the modern player jumps from mmo to mmo every couple of months. That is the industry norm and it isn't going to change. Developing for the old model is guaranteed...

F2P is also great for players who like to jump around from game to game every few days. Variety being the spice and all that. If I subbed to every game I log into every month it would pay for a new truck. There are so many games out now and most of them have something fun to do. Playing just...

Dungeon crawls in non-instanced dungeons are fun. The content can have infinite variable outcomes, even with the most basic mob ai, because the players determine the environment. When multiple groups are crawling through a non-instanced dungeon all kinds of hilarity can and does happen...

The reason Tuco called dungeons "too gimicky" is because they are easy and stupid (at least that is how I read it). GW2 has some depth to the combat with combos, etc. The problem is that there isnt' any need to use it. Every dungeon, event and any other encounter doesn't require any skill...

The problem with GW2's PvE is it is just too fucking easy and there are no rewards. RISK / REWARD Somebody tatoo that on every fucking mmo dev's forehead. And then make sure they brush their teeth every morning. Idiot loser mmo devs get lost in mindless stuff like gear repair, crafting...