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I tried to find the blood tests or urine tests that implicate Lance but I was unable too. Where is the evidence of his guilt? Idc if Lance is guilty or not I just find it strange that people would push so hard for his guilt but not show any proof. Most of what I was able to google was...

A shame none of the teachers had a gun.

So basically you are trying to tie a correlation about gun suicides to a potentially mentally ill teacher going on a killing spree? I've thought really really hard about it, and I think better mental health care would manage that risk. People committing suicide in classrooms has nothing to do...

I'm not sure why you bring suicide into this. Sure, there needs to be better mental health care in general and especially for any teacher who decides to CC in a school imo. Most people who commit suicide don't turn it into a public spectacle and this situation you bring up with a teacher...

So your biggest concern is accidental discharge. There are plenty of ways to manage that risk. How about don't have a loaded concealed weapon. Magazines can be concealed beside a gun. This is simply an idea that would allow a teacher to defend themselves and their classroom. I'm all for...

So people accidentally discharging their weapons is your major concern? One of those links was a person cleaning their weapon. So hmm.. way to mitigate that risk, no gun cleaning in schools? The other link was a person having a gun in their pocket. Way to mitigate that risk, don't keep a...

Why are you so hung up on the added responsibility it would add to volunteers. Does it make you feel inferior that somebody might be able to handle more responsibility than you? How would you know what a teacher would do? It's just as bullshit for you to think every teacher would try to turn...

What are you suggesting? You want to compare the gun laws of these 13 states and come up with some sort of comprehensive nationwide gun policy? You want to see what nuances and differences there are and determine the best path to allow guns in schools? I don't think that is a good idea myself...

If you are being shot at, then I'm sure it would be easy to identify the suspect. I'm not sure what you are going on about. I was mentioning that it would be easier for a teacher to recognize who is a normal occupant of a school than a police officer or security guard because teachers have...

Ohio is another state that allows teachers to carry guns if licensed, would it change your opinion one bit if I provide more states. Research and educate yourself. There is no point in me doing it for you especially if you aren't willing to accept any evidence that goes against your emotional...

I'd expect the opposite myself, I'd expect a teacher to know who the students / teachers / faculty are better than a police officer and recognize any unknown culprit or potential trouble makers.

If you are so interested in the information why don't you google it or look at gun laws state by state. Why would anybody invest that sort of research time and effort for you when you refuse to accept any sort of evidence contrary to your preformed opinion. Would showing proof of states...

Well, when you put it that way, why should we even bother doing anything as a result of recent shootings? It is rare after all. I'm sure there are much better things to devote our time to, like child choking hazards or child drownings.

That being only one state also. I'm not suggesting all states copy Utah's model exactly, they do have the most lenient armed teacher rules. Other states have done this as well, but if your only point is the entire country hasn't tried out armed teachers so statistics are irrelevant then...

Here's the wikipedia article on Utah gun laws. It has a lot of reference material cited in it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Utah

I don't view it as tasking teachers with the responsibility. I view it as offering teachers who are already trained and qualified with guns the option to accept additional responsibility. Part of that training should include a psyche exam of some sort to determine if a teacher is capable of...

The only reason to pull out a gun is if you are scared for your life. I doubt somebody who is not willing to defend their life would pull a gun if they weren't intent on using it. Never point a gun at anything you don't intend to kill.

For some reason I doubt this situation you are envisioning is likely to happen. Why would a teacher just casually have a gun pointed at a student unless that student already had a gun or was about to murder a student by some other means (knife etc)?

I think the notion put forward earlier in the thread that "right to bear arms" referred to man portable weapons. Ie. you can carry or "bear" it along with you. A howitzer / cannon I really wouldn't consider man portable myself. I don't have a problem with restricting access to the more...

If a teacher feels over worked they do not have to take on this responsibility. It would be voluntary. Plenty of teachers have taken on this voluntary responsibility without problem. You are bringing up an issue that there are no issues with, much like the republican voter fraud stuff...

Correct / True. I fail to see what point you are trying to make in regards to guns in schools though.

I explained further in my second post. Just add the adverb "forcibly" in front of "add" and that is my argument. I don't see a problem with teachers who feel capable of voluntarily adding this extra responsibility to themselves receiving training. I fail to see the problem here, if teachers...

It's not semantics, you are suggesting this would forcibly add something to a teachers plate. We are saying it does not. If they feel like they are capable of taking on this responsibility then I don't see a problem them going through proper training which they can pay for out of pocket and...

You aren't adding the responsibility, they would be CHOOSING to take it upon themselves. It's pointless to debate a post with no substance. Try not shit posting next time and maybe you will add to the discussion.

I said this wouldn't add anything to a teachers plate. Are you now moving the goal posts?

This idea wouldn't add anything to a teachers plate. It would allow a teacher who felt capable of going through the qualification to carry a gun in a school the option to do so.

Allowing teachers / parents to carry guns into schools costs the state / government nothing. Allocating massive amounts of money for police / security would increase spending. It's a valid idea looking at the facts on the ground. I'm sure if there was an incident somewhere that a teacher...

You keep skipping over the fact that a teacher can be just as qualified as a police officer or security guard and it wouldn't cost the state / government any extra money. Increasing the police force would require massive spending. Common sense dictates that if a police officer can become...

Court houses also have an armed police force. Not every school has an armed police force and most schools only have one or two armed guards. It's really a bad example to compare schools to court houses. The only thing restricting legal gun owners from carrying in schools does is make it so...

Do you think it's impossible for a teacher to be as qualified as an armed guard? You do realize it doesn't take a whole lot to become qualified as an armed guard.

Most people here have been trying to dispel this idea that life can be without risk. There will always be risk, the question is how you manage it. Having a good guy with a gun manages the risk of a bad guy with a gun coming into a school. Students have been known to bring guns to schools...

The idea is based on the reality that Utah has had armed teachers in classrooms for the past 12 years without a problem. I wouldn't be against a more strict qualification program but to say there would be problems isn't based on reality. Much like these proposed bans on semi automatic...

Nipple police :O There are smaller guns out there. That was just a stock photo showing what it looks like. There are other places to conceal weapons also. The point is if a teacher is uncomfortable carrying and concealing a weapon they probably won't opt to do so.

Just wearing a normal button up long sleeve shirt provides a lot of concealment space.

INB4 he maintains his innocence and all the cycling "crazies" blow a gasket. This is honestly in the who gives a shit category. I'm trying to think of this somewhat logically. What possible reason would this person you are describing as a "self serving egomaniac" have to confess when it would...

You do realize people here are talking about qualification a course right? Not just "hey you're a teacher here's a gun". You are showing how uninformed you are right now. People have mentioned before that some schools have had armed teachers for years without a problem. These hypothetical...

You really think an octogenarian teacher would be all gungho about going through a gun qualification course? This isn't about outright forbidding stuff because somebody might not be qualified, capable, or trustworthy enough to handle a firearm. It's about managing and restricting those who...

For some reason I doubt there would be many teachers who opt to carry guns to the classroom. I don't see a problem with there being an option provided the teacher passes some sort of background check / training course. If they let cops carry guns in schools I don't see the issue with...

It'll probably be rated R but I can't see them going to over the top with an X rating or something. Lots of movies and TV shows have rape scenes in them. Heck just look at Law and Order: SVU. That shit runs every night on prime time. I think it matters more about how graphic the scene is...