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*Sigh* Thanks for chasing away Lithose, guys. Hope you're happy.

Well, Lendarios, the fact that I was using hyperbole means my use of the term "signal-boosting" wasn't meant to be taken literally. I just wanted to draw a parallel between Lithose's behavior and the media's. And who said hyperbole is necessarily "a bad argumentative strategy"? It can be used...

Or AngryGerbil with unprovoked personal attacks. Hayo!

Well, Lendarios, sometimes people use something calledhyperboleas a discussion tool. When someone makes an obvious and intentional exaggeration not meant to be taken literally, this is hyperbole. Often, this is used to draw a parallel between a point being made and another real-world scenario...

He's drawing attention to points I make that he disagrees with. This highlights me as someone whose views are deserving of criticism, hurting my reputation. At the same time, other people make points he disagrees with. Those points get a free pass. Why the disparity?

Fuck it, I'm just going to respond to this: Peopletold me? No, my friend,youtold me that.Peopletold me she was a lying con-artist. Your statement is an indictment of the media (which you've said many times is your point) and has almost nothing to do with Sarkeesian herself. After all, she just...

Quoted for posterity. Let it ALWAYS be known that I am no Hodj.

(spoilered for length) I guess you thought your list of "facts" would paint a damning picture, but I'm responding to them with pretty much the same points I've been making the whole time and which have yet to be refuted. If I had a weak case here, I imagine there's no way you would have taken...

So we're in agreement: The real problem is the sexist assholes.

Well at least you're finally indirectly admitting her videos are harmless. We're making progress here, step by step. Here's the next step: How did she become so influential? (Hint: It wasn't by being "praised" by the media)

We were talking about real-world harm caused by Sarkeesians "Women vs Tropes"videos. Try to keep up. For the record, so far the answer is still "none whatsoever".

Never called you a sexist asshole. I said the only side of the story you've heard was the side championed by sexist assholes. Stop putting words in my mouth. It might be, but we don't know that for sure. Surely someone who followed the Zimmerman case can understand why? I've already provided...

It's actual, measurable harm done to people's lives, yes.

I've understood everything Lithose has said, with the exception of the paragraph I said made no sense. My disagreeing with him doesn't mean I don't understand him.

The threats are not a result of Sarkeesian's work. The threats are the result of the actions of sexist assholes, something Sarkeesian had zero control over.

Not what I did at all. There are many points she makes that I personally disagree with. I think she misinterpreted what some games were trying to do, I think she ignores the context in which certain games were made, I think she sometimes complains about things just for complaining's sake. That...

Did I stutter?

Read that second paragraph again: I'm literally and explicitly saying that the best way to criticise Sarkeesian is bydirectly criticising her work. There is no other way to interpret that statement.

Dude, really? I checked all those links, and the greatest praise she received in any of those was "pretty good" from the article that also appeared in my Google search. The second-greatest praise she received was "There's some interesting stuff in there", from one of her video announcements...

Let's Google "Women vs Tropes". Here are the top hits on Google: - feminist frequency (Sarkeesian's home page) - Wikipedia article - Youtube channel - "Women as Background Decoration Part 2" video - Kickstarter page - Polygon article. Don't know if it's mainstream, but there is no fawning...

There is truth to it. Much truth. You might know that if you watched any one of her videos. So you got one side of the story (the side championed and promoted by sexist assholes who want to see Sarkeesian burn) and decided their portrayal of her work was a good enough reason not to give any...

Literally every article I've read on the subject focused exclusively on the harassment being directed at Quinn. How is that not proof that the media is focusing on sexist assholes? Did I get a demotion? Is my wife disappointed in me? Am I considering suicide? Has my life been affected in any...

Here's what you're missing: It's not because Arkeesian's a feminist that I defend her. It's not because she's a feminist that I like her videos. She's encouraging critical thought on a subject I hold dear, and that'salways a good thing. If she had made the video about the portrayal of Greek...

Sarkeesian? She talks about the portrayal of women in video games.

All right, Khalid, let's play this game: Who was harmed? "The developers"? That's pretty fucking nebulous. Can you give me any names? Was anybody fired? Demoted, even? Was anybody ostracised by their community of family and friends? Did any game developer receive death threats or harrassment as...

Mother Theresa believed that suffering brought us closer to god. She encouraged bringing suffering upon oneself, so yeah, she was probably responsible for a lot of suffering. No no no you don't get to do that. I asked for an example of how videos about women in video games had a real-world...

I don't know, dude. I've never made any statements about "social justice" or "justice" in this thread.

Absolutely right. Once you can get the people insisting on dragging Sarkeesian and Quinn through the mud to back the fuck off your cause, you'll find it remarkably easier to level legitimate criticism at the gaming media. This might be hard to do, since they're the ones that drew all the...

Being accused of embarrassing myself by someone who used "time is a limited resource" as an example of how Sarkeesian's videos cause real-world harm. That's rich. Won't somebody think of the cat videos? Surely, they will be responsible for the collapse of society! "Distracting the movement...

Well, Fana, Seb's reply was a big "I got nothing". Hopefully you'll be able to come up with an example of real-world harm Sarkessian's videos have cau- Oh. You got nothing too. Well, that was fun. Thanks for the "feels".

You asked a question four times then answered it yourself. But here's my answer, which I already gave: I know you think this was a straw man, but this answers the first part of your question(s): Why is Anita's work accepted and praised/Why is Anita's standard accepted as "ground-breaking" when...

Dude, stop. I know what she said, I saw the video. Unlike many of her critics, she's not calling for blood here. She's expressing an opinion that could be easily countered with a bit of context. These words are harmless, no matter how much they bug you. I swear, you're more sensitive about...

Stop right there... I don't even necessarily see that. Well, she'ssayingit's sexism. That's her opinion and she made videos about it. She isn't attacking anyone personally and her words have zero power to harm anyone. Therefore, even if she was completely ass-backwards flat-out wrong about...

Why not? Using a flawed work as a starting point for a conversation can be nothing other than "a good thing" if that conversation is based on legitimate criticism. In this real-world case, even if some of Sarkeesian's examples are flawed (and really, that's all we can say with certainty), it got...

I know very well what Seb was trying to do, thank you, but no, those statements are most certainly not logically consistent with mine. He is, in fact, misrepresenting my argument as something else, which is what a straw man is. I don't know if you know this about anti-vaccination people, but...

Thanks for all the straw men, Sebudai. You didn't have to go through all that trouble for me.

Your video could have merit and be smug and sarcastic, but the reality is if you're smug and sarcastic people will see your video as a personal attack of Sarkeesian instead of an alternate viewpoint. Whether you are sexist or not, people will see that as sexist. Believe it or not, this is not a...

What makes you think I'm blind to it? Of course video games are full of sexist portrayals of men. If you can make a video about that without sounding like smug, sarcastic asshole trying to stick it to the feminazis I promise you I'll watch it. But that's not what Sarkeesian's video was about...

Doesn't matter. I don't think Ms. Pac Man is causing real-world damage. But I do think games could stand to be more creative. See what I did there? I dismissed what I didn't agree with and valued the perspective I thought had merit. Isn't that ca-raaaaazy? Also, some of my favorite movies...

Wasn't "out of thin air", sexist portrayals of women actually do exist in video games. She didn't "defame" game developers, she criticised them. I think they'll survive her words. And yes, there are strong and good female leads in games, but her videos are not about strong and good female leads...