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Wait, what? None of that makes any sense. Not your comparison of media critique vs sexism in games critique, not your straw man assessment, and not your "support of Sarkeesian = belief they are biased" line. Listen, dude. Sarkeesian made videos about the portrayal of women in video games. You...

When actual harm is done to people. Your example is terrible. A better example would be Michael Moore. He made highly critical movies that used suspect and misleading editing techniques to make his points. Yes, we have to take everything he says with a grain of salt. Yes, he has his way of...

Like I said already, it's also entirely possible that Sarkeesian is jaded and sees examples of sexism where others wouldn't. It's entirely possible that Sarkeesian mistakenly assumed players would be just as delighted killing strippers in Hitman as they were killing hookers in GTA. It's possible...

Something being wrong doesn't mean it was intentionally misrepresented. You're jumping to conclusions because it's easier than listening to a feminist talk about video games. So you acknowledge that she isn't necessarily trying to "trick" people or lie to them to prove a point?Andyou can still...

Sarkeesian and Quinn get horrifically and publicly harassed, everyone everywhere sees them get lambasted by hateful sexist assholes, the media decides to focus on it. How is that sexist? Well, that's the idea behind the videos. If you disagree, you are welcome to criticise the content of her...

You didn't answer my question. Is her video full of nothing but inaccuracies? If it isn't then it's worth listening to (if you have any interest in the subject at all). She is doing no harm, despite what you may think, by choosing to put her time and energy into analyzing the portrayal of women...

So, basically exactly what I said. You saw a point you disagreed with, needed an excuse to dismiss her altogether and slapped her with a label ("liar"). Several others had done the same before you so it was an even easier bandwagon to jump onto. Tell me, was there at least one other point in...

Addressed. Shouldn't only civil criticism be allowed? Why would we want uncivil criticism?

Sorry, Lith, not buying it. Zero evidence of sexism in all of those screencaps. Zero. However, they all support EXACTLY what I've said multiple times already: That harassment has become the issue (it wasn't in the spotlight six years ago). It could not have been made clearer that what the...

I don't believe she lied. It's certainly not proven that she lied. It was inaccurate, sure, but I've already provided a feasible alternate explanation. Again, it doesn't matter. Is the video full of nothing but inaccuracies? No? Then she must have made some points that were worth listening to...

So what "legitimate criticism" is being censored? What should be being said that isn't being said? The people who post here obviously don't all agree with Sarkeesian, so who's being silenced?

Again, even if that was a lie, it can be exposed without attacking her personally. The point is made that her example is flawed, and that's as much as you can ask for if you believe in "legitimate criticism". There is nothing to be gained (but much to be lost, as has been shown) by choosing to...

Here'sa Kotaku article announcing the release of one of her videos. From the article: Here we see an acknowledgement that flaws can be found in her argument by people other than trolls. We even see admission that Kotaku has not given prominent exposure to her critics, so it's not like they're...

Even if she was a liar (which I don't believe, it certainly has never been proven), it wouldn't matter. If she was lying in her videos we could criticise any examples of "lies" she made rationally. We could say, as I have shown: "Sarkeesian's use of Hitman to illustrate a game encouraging you to...

A "legitimate criticism warrior". I was tired of how lazily "SJW" gets thrown around these days (Edit: See above), I thought it needed a counter-group. (spoilered for length)

I didn't say it wasn't a problem. I said that even though it would be nice to have real criticism of Sarkeesian make an appearance in the mainstream (about her work), anyone willing to make a bare minimum of effort will be able to find this criticism anyway. If they don't make the effort, then...

I never said anything remotely close to that. I acknowledged mass media was ignoring legitimate criticism about Sarkeesian's work. I believe Lithose and I have conflicting views as to why that is. I also said that anybody willing to make the bare minimum of effort would be able to find...

Like, holy shit...look at this shit. Jesus Christ. (spoilered for length)

(Spoilered for length) Sing it, brother.

More than anything else, I think I'm now just terrified for the future of cute young women. They are going to have pudgy, balding middle-aged men flocking around them to treat them like shit (and flash some cash)... *shudder*

I was talking about my own reaction, thank you. You know... talking responsibility for my own opinion and actions...

And you know what? I fucking love criticism. If some guy, let's assume a male, made a video called "Anti-semitism in NES games", I might give it a watch out of sheer curiosity. If, while watching, I find myself impressed that the examples he's using actually do support his analysis, then I will...

Well, thanks for clearing that up. Guess we're done here.

But you can, apparently, throw out the baby with the bathwater and completely ignore the incredibly valid points raised by someone because you don't likehowthey did it. Gotcha.

Not addressing your interpretation of the article any more, Lith. I've said what I've had to say about it, but I would make one more suggestion: Re-read the article and replace all instances of "us" and "we" with "them" and 'they". Is it more valid now? By dismissing the article because of what...

Hey, it's the internet. You have to take the bad with the good.

I honestly don't know if you're being intentionally obtuse or not. The sexist asshole gamers are giving gamers as a whole a bad name. Instead of creating sub-categories of gamers based on level of assholeness, the author is talking about gamers with a specific focus on those of us that are...

I didn't decide what the issue is, and what it is is not whatIwant it to be. It is what it is, bro.

Nope. I don't know how you can keep missing the point of this article, unless it's intentional. As for that "What's more likely?" quote, here's what he's saying: The lid has already been blown off the fact that questionable practices occur in gaming journalism. We've known this for years, there...

Bullshit. Bull. Fucking. Shit. So your initial claim was, and I quote: "There aremany peoplewho took and continue to take issue with the warranted criticism Sarkeesian received." And the example you provide is Sarkeesian herself? Of course she takes issue with the criticism she received! Are...

Response to Lithose, spoilered for length:

No, I'm saying that someone who has never and will never experience the level of harassment Sarkeesian has is not in the best position to dismiss that harassment as "no big deal". The Cracked article actually addresses this pretty well. Oh, you better believe the feeling is mutual. Who? Trolls...

Alright, let me re-word: If you want to talk about legitimate issues, talk about them. Anybody still has the power to do that. Right now, one of these legitimate issues is online sexist assholes. It's getting a lot of attention. But sexist assholes getting attention is NOT the same as people...

Nobody's pretending that. Both of the recently linked articles state that there real issues in gaming journalism. Unfortunately, the sexist assholes are distracting from the "real" issues by creating an issue of their own. For a white guy, that's not a terribly surprising stance to take. Who has...

False. Nothing I said even implies that. I don't know what you're talking about here. One of the points made was that there ARE real problems in gaming journalism, but a) A lot of these problems didn't get much attention because they didn't involve a woman and/or who she was fucking, and b)...

Well that's what you were just complaining about, wasn't it? You had a problem with people treating online comments as though they were "said to someone's face". Well, that's the consequence. People aren't going to pretend you're not an asshole because you're hiding behind internet anonymity...

An asshole saying stupid shit isn't any less of an asshole saying stupid shit because he's doing it on the internet. People are assholes online because they assume there are no consequences. Well, apparently there are. Act like a sexist asshole troll and groups of people will highlight and...

Outstanding article, thanks for the link! Some highlights: I didn't write the article (duh), but you're right, these are a lot of the exact points I have brought up in discussions here. It's nice to knowCrackedhas my back.

The link I posted wasn't so much about it being aCrackedarticle as it was about getting the words of the person most affected by the recent Zoe Quinn scandal (ie: Zoe Quinn). I thought there was value to her words. Your opinions may vary.