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Look, my argument is this. If two or more individuals, acting in good faith can come up with opposite results, then the metric used is subjective. For example boxing. If there is a knockout, the outcome is objective. If the desicion goes to points, then it is subjective, since each judge has to...

How many judges are there? If it were objective, you'll only need ONE judge.

What is going on? useless thread is useless. Lets let the thread die.

Burnen will auto salt anything I do. It is known.

Tanoomba loves to troll and is very opinionated, that describes almost everyone here. How many threads has he fucked up, 3 threads?

I am glad you are the judge of which personalities are not fit for our community. Every thing he said on that post was true. This could have been solve by mods actually moderating. Instead this has become a wild west where dissenting opinions are threaten with bans. Yo just banned him for...

I mean just look at this post full of insight rational thought and discourse. "Shitlib cunt actually believes silencers exist."

I think everyone here does that. Everyone but me, because I cant understand semantics. If I could I would split semantical hairs all day long. For example, we are just talking about silencers not working because they don't "silence" all the way.

@ noddle ohyou.gif We had a 3 page discussion on the many ways I should die executed on the wall alongside Tolan and xzxzxzyyzxyzx. If you don't think that is toxic.

A full ban was too harsh, he has apologized. Let's move on and just keep asking him to digest feces.

I don't know what is worse, people wanting to "cure" black people, or posters not knowing Cyclop's name, and that some mutants such as nightcrawler, hope summers and others are born with their powers manifested.

Tanya plus mad scientist = hilarity.

I think lithise is very broad on his interpretation of the word subjective. The portion that he quoted what it meant to him, was more akin to a "product of the human mind"; and the problem is that everything we perceive is the product of a human mind.

Just because something is expensive, doesn't mean it is good. We are currently experiencing a period where the ultra rich are basically using paintings as way of investing. Art and paintings, are the next vehicle for this, since there is always a fool who will pay money for that shit,

How is this post a butthurt "Amazon can replace most of their warehouse employees with this guy, just fetching stuff for your cart. Right now they use humans and they count their steps to make sure they don't slack. It is a bit inhumane. I can see a very automated warehouse fulfillment center...

@Tanoomba If you have to explain context and effort, then some of the intrinsic elements of the art are lost. If i see this then i would think that is one ugly drawing. But then if someone tells me it is Michael J Fox self portrait, I cant go and say "omg so brave and beautiful". That...

Amazon Chattanooga distribution center employs over 2000 full-time employees Amazon plant tops 2,000 full-timers in Chattanooga they still use a lot of manual labor. I don't even know what are you arguing for. I am for robotization of the workforce.

Art is more than the sum of its parts. Now I'm not saying that a piece of shit on a table is art, because I'm an art bigot!!.

If I get to lithose to admit that shit on a plate can be an art form, my life will be complete.

So shit on a plate is a go? We can arbitrary grade the poop consistency.

What if you put the shit on a plate following the composition rules, and you swirl it around following the golden spiral? Will it be art then?

I'm with you all the way to the last sentence, because time and time again, artist have taken a shit on the established rules and the outcome has been beautiful. In fact following the art rules over and over often leads to mediocrity and staleness. There are only so many background paintings...

^ I already posted that 3 pages ago. "An agreed upon base value. So the measurement is a subjective that is agreed upon, correct?" The measurement is arbitrary, not subjective. A cm^3 of water weighted X, and they decided to call that value 1 Gram. That act was not subjective.

When it comes to music art, you are still dancing to our beat. so respect my authoritha.

Then every trend setter artist who died in poverty unappreciated, never did any art. Because at the time when they were alive, they were outside of the what was considered the norm.

@Lithose I really don't understand why are you on this crusade against art appreciation. Art has always been subjective, people have always argued about it, for it. It has nothing to do with political views or trends. Art is art, sometimes is good, sometimes is literal shit on a plate. Have...

1) Please tell me the agreed upon standards for art. 2) For measurements we have agreed on the base value to use, and this base value is only used in order as to provide a non ambiguous reference to the measurements made That we defined a gram as the weight of 1cm^3 at 1C degree, is not...

So you are saying that this is not figure skating? Because it is figure skating, just a horrible one and gets a score of 0.1 for not falling. this is also figure skating, just the bad kind. we can have a broad agreement about what something is good, and that agreement still be...

Judging on the Gymnastics is subjective, same as on figure skating. I don't think this is up for debate. Not all sports are graded on an objective scale.

@mkopec touched it here "And of course you can have a person follow the rules to a tee and still be a shitty artist which still produces shit, this is why art is a gift, not everyone can do it." This is why art is subjective, you can hit all the technical aspect, all the golden rules...

It is the subjective measurement of does this sounds good? Oh and pollock is garbage. My personal measuring stick for art is that it has to be reproducible, if not is just randomness.

Objectivity means without personal opinion, for example a object is faster than another because we can determine 100% that this property occurs. That is objectivity, the capacity to measure something, without our personal opinion on the subject, based on factual and data that can be corroborated...

So jazz is not art? Because it doesn't follow any musical standard and at its core is about improvisation. Have you looked at a Monet? or "To the outskirts of Paris by Van Gogh?" There is not rule and somehow the result is quite nice (debatable, i actually don't like it)

@Titan_Atlas how hard did the sixteen trigger you? Honest answer.

Do we need a restraining order for Tanoomba and Zz? Who ever post first on a thread gets to keep that thread? Do we make it so they can not post on the same page?

lol. You are the one who refuses to define the objective yardstick for art. @Lithose the golden rule is a fallacy, you have golden rules painting that are still ugly. The best way i can think of measuring paintings, is by its technical aspect of it. Are the strokes clear, does the colors bleed...

I agree it is super shitty, by your and our standards. But to pretend that those standard don't vary with time and the individuals is what the heart of this argument is. Art and beauty is subjective, it varies from person to person, and sometimes even on the same person, it varies depending on...

@khorum so much pent up shitposting up your system, are you done?

I'm sorry, it is 15-25 miles a day. yeah about that. Working as a Order Picker at Amazon.com: 872 Reviews | Indeed.com They seem to pay well, but that is a lot of walking.

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