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Ya, but the point I think Marxists would make would be that if those people making the dildos weren't working for the man, but were instead working for themselves because the factory was owned by the workers running it, that would be their motivation for boxing up dildos eight hours a day...

Hahah It's hilarious because it's true.

No I agree that communism has been legitimately tried and it legitimately failed, Mao/Pol Pot/USSR, etc. I think the argument is that while its true that it has never existed in the way described by Marx, et al. at the level of the state, the REASON it has never existed at the level of the...

I do agree with bakunin that just cause someone called themselves commie doesn't necassarily make them commies when applying the definition of the word rather than the widely held perception of the word. See the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. I also agree with Mr T. that everyone...

You got the ball rolling, but then you tagged him in to do the heavy lifting.

Let me see if I have the gist of the two arguments. First of all, it seems HodjCo and Team Commie are arguing a side of two different topics rather than both sides of one topic, but since it's Hodj and Mik it turns into 8 pages of fallacy definitions and accusations, lol. HodjCo argue that...

Wish I had time to stroll over and see how the freepers are taking all this, I'm sure its defcon 1 over there.

I think the more appropriate term is that no one gave a shit what you believed, and still don't. Your allies in Congress will be soundly defeated and the country will begin to tack back to the left once the dust finally settles from this fiasco. In the meantime, the core demographic of the...

Lol. Good thing about the rickshaw is the garglechimps mostly stay away cause no edit.

Still better than pissing away four hours with the garglechimps.

If you can't keep your kids from being exposed to too much sexuality at an early age than that is a failing on your part. Equating my argument against government censoring the media to a guy jerking off in line at Dunkin Donuts only exposes the weakness of your argument not mine.

Sorry I got under your skin so much bro, no need to get all personal and shit yo. The internet's really not serious business, despite what you may have heard. But for the record I just turned 40 and yes I am wrapping up my BS this year and will start my masters next year. I'm a loser!

Thanks for proving my point. Well done sir. Where did you get 65 from btw? I'm curious.

Whelp, it's been a pretty good, vigorous debate without being shit on by the garglechimps, but if calling someone a giant faggot is your last line of defense then there's not much point wasting any more time going back and forth with you.

Bleh edit that last sentence out.

You have a kid and live in NY City now? Hmmm, ok. But you just answered your own question a couple posts ago. If you don't agree with the community standard then you will leave. Pretty simple. You're example of a gay guy walking around with his dong hanging only happens in communities who...

If you take your kid to a gay pride parade, without knowing full well he would be exposed to that nonsense, then you are an idiot. There's no involuntary exposure to the gay lifestyle going on there. It's 100% voluntary.

You posted this today, in this thread. Nowhere is there any mention of Russia, and since you live in America I assumed you were supporting decency laws in this country. Stupid me I guess.... I wasn't around much this summer, I must of missed the Great Russian Homosexual Debate of 2013.

Well, I do agree with them that I don't want little Billy seeing two dudes assram each other while he's eating his Frosted Flakes. But in the real world, it's just not something that's going to happen, precisely because of what they are arguing. Societal norms wouldn't allow that network to...

Lol, sure thing dude.

I live in America, vote in America, and for the sake of this argument am only concerned with America. What does Russia have to do with legislating decency laws in America?

Dildo companies don't pay enough in ad revenue to keep one of the big networks on the air. Come on dude. NBC, ABC, CBS, or Fox can't stay on the air advertising Sphincterine to 100,000 people, which is what would happen if they started showing porn. You are getting absurd now.

Where are you going where children are being involuntarily exposed to offensive material against the wishes of their parents?

Why are so you being so dense? GOVERNMENT censorship of non snuff porn is UNNECESSARY. As soon as NBC shows a couple dudes blowing each other in prime time, they lose every single sponsor, 100% of their ad revenue, and 90% of their viewership and promptly leave the airwaves because they are...

Because 85% of the country labels themselves Christian and it permeates every aspect of our society. Are you really that out of it that you don't see the undue influence religion has on our society?

I know the conversation is moving fast and furious, but never did I explicitly state that decency=morality. I will restate my argument simply to make it clear: Government censorship is bad in all forms because it is too subjective and too easily manipulated by the powers that be. You...

Considering half of our country doesn't even believe in evolution/science/biology, that's hardly an argument for the establishment of the thought police. It's like you completely disregard the fact that the teatards and religious nuts won't use those tools that you are so willing to give...

You are the only one talking about morals dude. You're arguing against yourself. Perhaps you forgot what a democracy is. A democracy isn't some magical society where you are guaranteed to never be offended.

I would love it if you could find where I advocated children being forced to be exposed to gay propaganda. That falls under the parents responsibility. OF course I don't want the gay pride parade running in front of elementary schools. But I also don't want Jesus freaks preaching in front of...

You do. I do. Mikhail does. Zyyz does. Everyone chooses every time they turn on the TV. Or turn it off. No one is forcing you to watch it. Simple as that. If you think we need more goddamn subjective laws to keep porn off NBC then you are delusional. First time that happens, they lose...

Are those not examples of censorship?

It was that pic of the old racists in the 50's protesting race mixing. You've seen it a million times.

Not that ANY censorship is harmful. Of course you as a parent censoring what your child is exposed to is a good thing. But the Government censoring the media and deciding what we can and can't watch is a bad thing. I honestly don't see how that's even in argument in this day and age...

Community standards. What could ever go wrong there?

Who the fuck is making that argument? You don't need decency laws to keep porn off NBC. The public backlash and removal of all ad revenue would take care of that.

Wow, i'm an extremist because i think fining a morning news show for doing a friggin Miley Cyrus story is completely pants on the head retarded? Right. I'm not the one that needs a little perspective in this argument. But carry on high-fiving each other as if you've won some great battle in...

Ok, so they get fined if Miley is fully clothed but just suggestively posing? Do they get fined if its Scarlett Johanesbergenstein instead? What if its Scarlett in a nonsuggestive pose, but shes wearing a skirt that's too short or has too much cleavage? Who's gonna delineate exactly who...

Ok fine. No i don't want NBC airing hardcore porn at 8. Do you want some republican appointed chairman of the FCC banning the Teletubbies from TV because some religious idiots think they are promoting a gay lifestyle?

So privately funded media should be regulated just like publicly funded television. Awesome. So in your world, what would be the appropriate fine to be levied against a morning news show airing Miley Cyrus footage?

Oh for fucks sake. Hyperbole much? Why do you hate freedom so much?