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Wait until Wifi enabled cars that drive themselves become popular soon ish.

Here's a logic problem, if lacking guns are what prevents people from killing other people wouldn't we all be dead by now? there's 300 million guns in this country.

That's not really possible without a police state, if you want to kill not having a gun won't stop you, there is a supposition that guns cause murder that is false, people cause murder, murder is not a result of a lack of murdering implements, humans are clever mammals and can find all kinds of...

Now you just gotta tell every other person in america, public perception doesn't work on minute facts like that unless they are endlessly repeated.

There's a concept in naval power called "fleet in being" that just having a navy even if you don't use it, and even if you would lose in open battle, changes the actions and stance of other nations. The same concept can be applied to firearms and the population, just owning them without ever...

those rights you listed are fictional, owning a gun is physically real, all those rights you listed are a fiction you have no rights, you have temporary privileges that's it.

Every Administration blames the previous one, but when they are caught doing something naughty, government is really a habitual liar. NSA Yanks Fact Sheet Containing Dubious Information About PRISM http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013...ism-disappears "This is a perfect example of why...

"He's done tremendous damage to the country where he was born and raised and educated," Ruppersberger said." I'm still waiting for someone to explain what the damage was. besides government prestige(lol) and the concept that rats who know they are being watched behave differently.

Might come in handy if you have an emergency one day, you shouldn't knock it. If you keep honey in the house the little froth that forms on the top of the honey is hydrogen peroxide, information might save your life one day.

"certified whackjob" I never got any certificate in the mail, this from a man who believes human clones can't physically exist because of an invisible god in the sky.

so more ad hominum?

The only real lever the public has is to act irrationally angry, they seem to care when alot of people are very angry about something. A lack of public outcry will only reinforce their decisions.

Except the part where bush started the program, is there a phrase for selective memory loss associated with the point a person is trying to make?

There is no mechanism to make politicians accountable for campaign promises, so what recourse was there? Obama literally campaigned partly to get rid of the surveillance state. I still maintain it would have been better for Romney to win, in regards to this issue. The 4th estate wouldn't have...

apparently "everyone" didn't include you, if you look at politics forum from may 6th you'll see your posts there denying room 641a capabilities

That's irrelevant to the idea that "the public knew" when every deception was made to keep it secret, it's such a bullshit angle, very few people knew or realized what was going on. that's the WHOLE POINT of the snowden disclosure, the public was grossly misinformed and had a gross misconception...

That's bullshit when they lied about the program, they pretended to defund it and built it anyways, GTFO The program was rolled out in 2001 was met with immediate hostility then they pretended to defund it and transfered the program from the DOD to the NSA, was built in private, some of it...

so we just get to wait and sit around while they build it? what if the "public debate" determines that we shouldn't be collecting data on millions of people without any presumption they commited a crime, they are going to just dismantle the facility? please. you keep claiming that people...

Devil's advocate: Storage technology is the fastest growing segment of technology these days. The thumb drive I have that's 1 inch long stores 16 gigs that would have taken something the size of a large bible to store even 10 years ago flash drives bro check em out.

Couple things chaos: When you say "FISA warrants" it's more like "fisa warrant" the warrant allows a range of activities they don't need an individual warrant for each instance. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/2...hers-despised/ Sen. Wyden: FISA's 'general warrants' are like the 'Writs...

theres 2 hairs to split, the collection of metadata on millions of Americans not even suspected of commiting a crime, and the actual recording of phone calls. The meta data part I think isn't really debatable and just by itself is enough to call the program a gross violation of the 4th...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...s-phone-calls/ The National Security Agency has acknowledged in a new classified briefing that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls, a participant in the briefing said. Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat...

How much "grave damage" did the NSA director cause by lying to congress?

Im talking about all the private telecom companies installing information copying abilities in all their communication lines. The system of undersea fiber optic cables carries 99 percent of international telecommunications. The NSA is not tapping the fiber network at the two-dozen cable...

So they spent billions of dollars to setup the infrastructure to copy major telecom traffic to not use it? If they aren't using it why do they need all this memory to store information in data centers? they are spending billions of dollars on information storage because they don't plan on using it?

This was on pbs, the informations out there it's just drowning in a sea of irrelevant information like who gives a fuck what kanye west calls his child, seriously. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

That information does not exist purely on private databases, it's blanketly copied and made usable at any time, just because there is a pretend lock and key on this information does not make the ACT compiling these large data centers all over the country right. just the action of storing all...

all you gotta do is goad the apologists they make themselves look foolish.

He lied about the collection of data, he pretended it didn't exist Snowden hadn't "blown the whistle" yet, he was straight up lying to congress about the nature of the "secret program". Here is a congressman asking the nsa director direct questions under oath and he didn't tell the truth. Now...

This is the program he exposed, and Yes I will yield the point that as a government you don't want independent people running around with things that are classified, on principle. but come on man we don't live in a vacuum, it is relevant.

Multiple times, this is probably the best example http://www.forbes.com/sites/seanlaws...mestic-spying/ Finally, as recently March 12, 2013, in a hearing of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Sen. Wyden had this exchange with Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who...

We went over this already there is nowhere to run, the battle for freedom(free and open societies) or Tyranny(central authortarian police state) as the world globalizes begins and ends with America.

a_skeleton_03 or Chaos care to comment about the NSA director lying to congress? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeavcYV4EMc Groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and the Electronic Frontier Foundation have been seeking this kind of information for years. But until Edward Snowden's...

How can an observer not help but notice that the easiest to see "grave damage" is the reputation of leaders or institutions who where in charge when the conduct was exposed? Is that not a natural reason to declare anything of this nature "grave damage". Do you honestly think dick Cheney or the...

Let's remember how this program started before we confidently declare it legitimate. http://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/2...ives_on_inside Following public outcry, the program was halted primarily because of privacy concerns, but also because its main advocate was John Poindexter, known...

that's what I just said, you can stop frothing.

Bradley manning is not being tried in civilian court? http://www.thenation.com/blog/174689...#axzz2XFARAzae

I'm still waiting for any sign of "exceptionally grave damage to national security." what accountability is there for the people making that statement? There is a clear motive to say that even if it's not true. "Cheney's claim that Snowden's revelations have caused significant damage to US...

It's not "illegal" because of secret interpretation of the patriot act that the public would never know about otherwise let's not forget to say that.

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