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None of those things "have to happen" and you are wrong, the murder and crime rate will go up, you will actually make society worse, the police don't ultimatly protect you, and legally can be shown to do and act as such, they just arrest criminals they have no charge to prevent crime. Your...

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-se...ot-act-talking This week the House Intelligence Committee circulated nine talking points to its members explaining why the dragnet collection of innocent Americans' call records is both legal and effective at stopping terrorism. After reviewing the...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/te...nted=all&_r=3& When Max Kelly, the chief security officer for Facebook, left the social media company in 2010, he did not go to Google, Twitter or a similar Silicon Valley concern. Instead the man who was responsible for protecting the personal...

what was the "grave damage" snowden caused?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio 2000 Parliamentary report: a "strategy of tension"[edit] In 2000, a Parliament Commission report from the "Gruppo Democratici di Sinistra l'Ulivo" concluded that the strategy of tension had been supported by the United States to "stop the PCI...

false analogy you can stop subscribing to soe, you can't stop subscribing to the usa, this is the fallacy of equating market capitalism and democracy. also "I just won't spend my life in an uproar. " what about our children, seriously, i've had 2 co workers say the same thing to me...

yeah just the act of responding to ridiculousness is an act of acknowledging it.

yeah it's not a conspiracy, it's "legal creep" it takes decades and it's a slow process, and it's all going in the wrong direction, honestly we need to go in the opposite direction and have our version of glasnost.

yes I am saying we are a sham of a democracy, what actual power does the public have when both parties agree on something, there is nobody to vote out when both sides agree, or you are "throwing your vote away". it's kind of hard to exercise any power beyond whatever an opinion poll*or a...

The schools are a place where the state manipulates the population on a broad scale, by the time those kids are adults and show up on opinion polls that matter and voting polls that matter they'll have a distorted memory of guns hysteria.

They decided to spy on everyone, it's a choice, how can we "let them do it" without the rulers deciding what they wanted to do.We let them(argueable, we(the public) were deceived at every turn for obvious reasons(watched rats behave differently than when they think they aren't being watched:emoji_nose: go...

and then you come to "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

except the people who deny reasonable assumptions what else is room 641a doing besides copying all the data that comes across the sea lines? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

No I don't think that but if support for a program is nebulous then You can't blame the public, it was the rulers that made the decision, they could have gone any way they wanted based on opinion at that time, that's what they chose to do. bush/cheney got it signed into law and as cheney...

nowhere do i see 51% support

This is why I say when you polarize politics it turns it into sports teams, the patriot act was never supported by a majority of the population at any time of it's introduction, you blame the supporters but they never had a majority, it's the leaders who made this happen and it's the leaders...

There was a case I'll have to find it again, A man accused the government of spying on him without a reason, the defense(the gov) accidently left a classified document proving they where spying on him in some kind of brief and the man's attorney got it, the judge ruled that even though they...

senator ron whiden and mark udell who are on the intelligence committee said they haven't seen ANY cases that this program alone prevented a threat, http://www.mediaite.com/online/sens-...rorist-events/ It seems likely that prevented "50" attacks line is crimes they prevented by other...

You're nuts, I'll take incomplete truth over vague lies and bullshit any day of the week, Which is what we have the head of the NSA on record Lying and deliberately misleading the public when asked direct answers like do you record any Americans information, less than a year ago he flat out said...

I am argueing against your point. you're saying nfa trust weapons make murder go up or otherwise your aguement is entirely asinine and pedantic. I'm saying gun demographics and murder are opposite the causality you assert, You have said many times the people who like guns are why the murder...

I was looking for nfa trust weapons involved in crimes so I could gauge the size of this loophole I couldn't find anything, I would say that my viewpoint that the demographics of gun ownership in relation to murder are contrary to your assertion.

that article was from before his clarification from a Q&A

he was making $122,000, 200k was his peak earning, he took a paycut to take that job.

I posted this in politics may 6th before the scandal broke how close was I to the information released? This is one place where the blanket copying of information occurs a room inside an at&t office copies every signal that comes across the sea wires...

There was no speculation they where in the copying room and was told exactly what it does, it's been reported in other area's and it makes perfect logical sense, but like fucking religion you just can't see the truth for what it is and keep trying an infinite retreating argument by constantly...

I told you where they blanket copy all communications traffic, it was on 60 minutes, the private company that houses the sea cables that go across the pacific / atlantic, did you work in those buildings for those private companies? this is a private/gov marriage

In our more tribal times guards that fell asleep at their post where exiled for endangering the clan.

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This man is a monument to narcissism.

not really, storage technology is the fastest growing part of computers, a thumb drive today can hold 16gb, the space required to do that even 10 years ago was like the size of a book. http://www.mkomo.com/cost-per-gigabyte

I'll be back with a coherent thought.

That was to vague for me, what do you mean by "everything" and what executive order? Because everything i've seen shows the opposite to be occuring, the rate at which government documents are being classified for national security reasons and the constant extension of when those documents...

That's what happens when everything is kept secret, anything to fill the void of silence is taken more seriously. I'm fundamentally ok with surveilling the internet*. I am not ok with the lack of oversight and secrecy of it. The potential for political power abuse is too high down the road...

Are you making a distinction between targeted surveillance and blanket recording? because you dance between some concepts and it changes the context of what you are saying. In a blanket recording environment encryption should provide an obstacle to surveillance because it requires more effort...

well when I said imaginary I meant literally the technique is to encourage the speakers audience to IMAGINE the threat, and the act of IMAGINING it has an exaggerating effect in your mind, not that the threat is literally imaginary (just grossly blown way out of proportion to reality) I...

You keep skipping over the word exaggerated, when the threat is exaggerated our perception of the actual danger it is to you is distorted. A comet hitting you is a threat to your person but what are the odds of a comet hitting you and should you live in fear constantly because a comet may hit...

Yes, Infact the apacolypse will happen when Tim Tebow Wins a superbowl, that will show he is among gods chosen.

It's a grossly exaggerated threat in context, there's a few principles at play http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultivation_theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_world_syndrome and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight-or-flight_response Television or media is a distorted version of...