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I am not sure why it is important to you. You are the one that jumped into a post directed at Kreugen. As for why it is important to me, I am just really tired of people acting like the pro-gun people are filled with crazies and then act like the other side is asking for perfectly rational...

I think you are missing my point. That Kruegen is saying the pro-gun advocates are filled with crazies and he hasn't seen any crazy from the anti-gun crowd. The AWB seems by definition, at least in regards to the cosmetic features, completely worthless. That is crazy to me.

So banning firearms for cosmetic features that have no effect on anything isn't crazy? If you have firearms, then Im sure you know that things like the mini-14 ranch rifle are every bit as deadly as a ar-15. You don't find the banning of one and not the other pants on head retarded? Dianne...

Thats funny, I have a stepdad who thinks the exact same thing! Wait, are you my brother?? Anyway, I think what might bother "pro-gun" people about your stance is when you say stuff like this... The issue I have with that is you are basically saying "both sides are bad" but then completely...

First of all, no one is talking about banning knives, but CONTROLLING knives has been done and is being done in britian, and its pretty silly. Also, lol@ you mentioning the M82. Please point to a single instance of it being used in a crime. There is no benefit whatsoever to banning or...

Do you feel the same way about the ACLU? Planned Parenthood? Like it or not (clearly you don't), the NRA is the only gun rights lobbying group that has any real power in congress. Leaving it out of the equation would mean groups like the Brady campaign would be completely unopposed.

Oh, you are a conspiracy theory nut. Got it. Da dark shadowy masters are controlling everything. *glances around nervously* As for propaganda, I linked to an article from Huffingtonpost. Im sure they are definitely holding water for the NRA, that silly rightwing website!

First of all, so what? The NRA is doing exactly what alot of its members want right now, which is opposing the new regulations. Second, it is not true that the vast majority of its funding comes from the gun industry.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2317885.html Some cliffnotes...

Silliness. The main reason the NRA exists is that there are a large number of people in this country that do not want further regulation on guns. How does normal people shooting up old cars or stacked tires have ANYTHING to do with gun violence or homicides? If people want to have fun shooting...

So the Dianne Feinstein bill, some of the retardation: 1) Mini-14 tactical is banned but no other mini-14's are covered 2) Barrett m82a1 is banned even though it is a bolt action 3) A bunch of 22lr guns are banned directly, but 10/22 is fine. 4) M1A isn't covered So assume this ban...

Most interesting point about Araysar's poll to me is 40% of democrats report having a gun in the household.

"Given this, the latest increase in self-reported gun ownership could reflect a change in Americans' comfort with publicly stating that they have a gun as much as it reflects a real uptick in gun ownership." I think it is very hard to get accurate information on this due to privacy concerns...

Banning bayonet mounts is pointless sure, but at least its something you can ban. Confiscating kitchen knives though, and being proud of it, is so ridiculous to me I have trouble not believing its a parody. All they do is just walk into a kitchen and buy another, or sharpen a spoon against a...

I am not interested in why the government is doing it. I am interested in the public response in the UK to the seizure of kitchen knives, pipes and bats. Are they perfectly fine with it? I just can't even imagine something like that happening here, its just so against common sense.

So we see these news stories of the UK confiscating knives and bats and stuff. In the UK is this seen as normal or silly? I mean, what fucking good does it do to sieze shit like bats and kitchen knives, when you can just walk to your kitchen and get another? Or go to a sporting goods store and...

The british are trying to control blunt objects... Go to 3 minutes in.

Even if 3d printers aren't able to make barrels/etc they still can make alot of things that could be banned, making those bans much harder to enforce. For example, I would imagine making the outsides of high-capacity magazines would be fairly trivial, leaving only the user to make a metal...

What worries me the most about this legislation is that it could lead to some equivalent of it passing in Illinois. Illinois has alot of the same issues that NY has in relation to gun laws. A city and its population imposing the tyranny of the majority to impose its will on the rural parts of...

The high-caliber ones? Is there a particular caliber you consider high? Or are you one of those idiots that think the AR-15 shoots high caliber bullets?

The 7-round magazine limit is an absurd imposition for one. Hell, you can't even buy 7 round magazines for any double-stack pistol. As for rifles, good luck finding any 7-round rifle magazines either.

Who the fuck are you to decide what target shooting is? Plenty of fun competitions revolve around using AR-15s. Take a look at3-gun. Or how about the 2012 National Trophy Rifle matches, where 1300 competitors used semi-autos.

You really sound like someone that has never fired a .223 rifle and certainly has never tried to shoot something 1000 yards. The AR-15 is probably one of the last rifles I'd want to use to shoot 1000 yards with. The idea that it would have "too much power" at 1000 yards is absurd.

I hate to agree with you since you spent like 10 pages calling me a racist, but that is what gets me about Soysauceonrice and Simas. They don't want us to even DISCUSS the constitutionality of these rulings. It's a states rights issue, if we aren't from NY we aren't allowed to talk about it!

So it does ban 8 shot revolvers then?

It puts people in a very shitty position. Register it and know that after the next tragedy they will pass confiscation and you will have cops at your door, or don't register and risk that you will be caught with it.

So fucking what? You act like we shouldn't care that abunch of gun owners are getting screwed over in NY? Just because I don't live somewhere, doesn't mean I can't get upset about it. When I drove up to NY a few years ago, I went shooting with a old navy buddy of mine. Now the guns we shot...

How the fuck does something like that pass 43-18? So fucking glad I don't live in NY heh. So yeah Soysauceonrice, this is why we get worked up about this shit. "No one is after a complete ban on guns" indeed.

Well, my annoyance is with people like you acting like we should just blithely sit back and wait to see what they pass before getting worked up. It isn't just Feinstein that is for an outright ban and I am not comforted by your assertion that the AWB won't ever come back. If the AWB isn't pushed...

Only because they can't get the votes.

Yes, and Im implying that it is possible the number isn't really those that gave inaccurate information about their criminal histories, but instead people that gave inaccurate information. Regardless, the recommendation sounds pretty reasonable and I will be curious to see the details.

That sounds reasonable, but I am curious what the 80,000 number is from. Is that inflated by the number of poorly-filled out forms that were rejected, then submitted again and possibly passed? For example, people writing an incorrect social security number down as a mistake.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...un-laws-spikes So for the last 10 years opinion has been relatively unchanged on gun control laws. Then, even in the wake of Newtown, we see that the majority of people still don't want tougher gun laws. That extra bump they got will continue to go down...

Sure, but thats my point. Obamacare was unpopular but that doesn't mean the people against it were suddenly one-issue voters for republicans.

The issue is that Obamacare didn't turn most people into "one issue" voters. Obamacare wasn't popular but few people changed their vote on it. I wasn't a huge fan of it (I wanted single payer) but it didn't factor much into my voting process. If an AWB almost passes or does pass, then...

I am not sure that the culture is going against guns. Before this most recent shooting, if anything the signs were going the other way. Concealed carry laws have been spreading and the current last few Supreme Court rulings have been in favor of gun rights. The most hardline state on concealed...

I think the issue is that a possible AWB turns alot of gun owners into single-issue voters. 2 years from now no one outside of gun owners is even going to remember Newtown. Meanwhile everyone with or wanting an AR or a high cap mag will have a very different view about the politicians who voted...

Went to a publicrangeyesterday, first time I went to a public range since Newtown. Over an hour wait to shoot and then limited to only an hour of shooting. Just for shits, I looked at what people were shooting when I finished. Out of the 20 booths, 14 were semi-auto carbines that would be...

Not Westeros, thats for sure.

How the fuck does it take continuous effort to secure and maintain your guns in an apartment you are by yourself in? Are you continually holding your safe up in the air? As for maintaining, takes just a few minutes to completely strip and clean most guns. It isn't a huge burden.

Anyway, off the racism and canada derail. If I had to come up with a list of things to implement to try and respond to Sandy Hook: 1) Add to the NICS background check some sort of mental health database, so those that are deemed mentally unfit could be excluded. I am worried that it might...