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Besides the obvious - I'm curious about how they're going to handle alpha/beta access and in particular what they're going to do when they're in mid to late beta and they run out of money. Will they have a subscription based beta?

Blizzard ripped off Games Workshop for Warcraft. Everyone rips off everyone, does it really matter as long as you have a good time killing the mob?

At least they didn't name the guy Oranthal.

@Creed. @popsicle I'm probably looking at the past with rose tinted glasses. It happens. Yes there should be soloability but the good stuff should mostly require groups to go dungeon delving. I don't mind Necros being OP just as long as they're not OP in every environment: solo, group...

You are telling me the majority of players soloed to level in EQ? Because that's the modern standard and that's what we were talking about. I wasnt talking about camping some mobs ten levels below you for some rare drop.

What you described has nothing to do with EQ. At its core it was a game that required grouping up to achieve most of its rewards (XP, money, items). Soloing to cap and shit like you described are precisely what is most fucked about modern MMOs (along with instancing and the quest grind). So...

Hell no.

Ah, that explains that. Thanks, I was bored so I was uspto diving to see if I could find NewCo's trademark application. No luck. @Laura. I'll take EQ combat over the current spaz "action" combat that is the norm today. Though I liked both vanilla WoW and beta VG combat as well. Those ended...

Fun factoid. Brad is one of the inventors on a type of in-game prospecting patent# 8,540,566 . Was applied for in 2011 but approved in September. Doubt it has anything to do with NewCo's game. But what is interesting it is the patent was assigned to the defunct Maslow Six...

Actually the question is how many of those 'signups' are going to pay premiums. Doesn't matter though really - that number means that on Jan 1 there will be at least 4 million more people uninsured now thanks to Obamacare than there was before that trainwreck hit.

Eh, I failed my reading skill check, I guess. Yeah this is where you, me and Shabushabu break from the maddening crowd. Though I don't quite agree with Shabu that VG was ideal for soloing. It was close though - the best stuff was in the Premier Dungeons. The main issue I had with VG soloing...

@Creed Elaborating. If Brad & NewCo want to make the game on the cheap, but ensure that people don't run out of content and get bored quickly, then in addition to Zones they need to do something along the lines of: 1. Level 40ish Cap. Every ten levels requires a ton of work, in...

I'm not a developer if that's what you mean. I just know that logically a seemless world requires significantly more art assets and designer time since you're dealing with a much, much larger area. If you don't invest in art assets/designer time you got large swathes of wasteland (as could be...

Neither of them appears to be anything like an EQ or VG clone. Permadeath (ToA), PvP everywhere (DO) skill-only advancement (ToA and DO). EQ was a PvE game, class-less games are purely FOTM and take away from character identification, and Permadeath is just stupid. Brad may be notorious...

This is a very good point. Can't be pure EQ - there has to be soloable content and every class has to have some soloability - just not the extreme soloability that is WoW. Can't be true old school hardcore fuck you no-soloing classes if you can't find a group when you login. So EQ-ish with VG...

And if you want to know why: -We're running out of water. Groundtable in California is dropping like a stone. -We're running out of fish. -We're running out of bees. -We're running out of power. EPA war on Coal combined with the ineffective bird-killing bullshit that is...

EQ was built with 5 million-ish. Zones are the key. Zones, no flying mount chrome, quests for items and gold, not xp. Etc. Think small, not Vanguard or WoW. Project Gorgon is pretty fun for the few levels you can play and was built with pretty much zero money because it's basically 4-5...

*BOOM* 2026 +/- 6 years.

5 million or less.

The only future is a small niche game (50-100k). The fact people still play on EQ Progression and Vanguard suggests that a modern "hardcore" game can succeed as long as development costs are kept way, way, way down. That's the problem with Brad - he doesn't seem to be able to say "No" to a...

You are still begging the question. The point I'm trying to make is that it is easy to come up with a million reasons why not to give Brad the money, the hard part is coming up with a positive alternative that gets me (and everyone else interested in an old-school MMO) closer to that old-school...

I really wish SOE has nothing to do with this thing. I can't imagine anything good happening - see, for example, Vanguard.

There's also Elite: Dangerous. The SF MMO landscape looks more hopeful than the fantasy landscape. Not a fan of skill based games (Pathfinder) and I'm too old to play a game where I could lose an item to some fifteen year old who has 5x the playtime I do (Black Desert). @Furious Goblinworks...

Not at $50 bucks every five-to-ten years. Which seems to be how often we'll see an EQCloneKickstarter. Edit: Which goes back to my point: it's better to throw some money at Brad's KS even though it'll probably fail then do nothing. Sitting around and spending another ten years complaining...

You can do an MMO on the cheap if you abandon all the modern trappings: bazillion quests (dev time), seemless world (dev time, art assets), flying mounts (dev headaches, animation assets). I can not find it - but I think somewhere it was posted that original EQ cost around 5 million. I'm sure...

If Brad beats the billion to one odds and delivers a decent (not great that would be impossible) MMO, SOE buys it from him for cheap and Smed gets EQ3 without any development costs and associated risk. Where upon SOE will slowly but surely fuck it up.

A valid point but since I've only got his EQ clone project to throw my money/vote at, he gets it by default. With respect to a WoW clone kickstarter, who cares? Won't get my money and has no affect on my life if it thrives or dies.

Yes it is. Simpler version: the question has been raised many times whether there is sufficient money and interest out there to crowd source a Diku based MMO. Brad's kickstarter is an ok (not good) test to see if there is sufficient money and interest. So it is worth contributing even though I...

@Burnesto ProTip. The way it works is that you give people money so they suck your dick, not the other way around. Not sure where you got confused on that. @Erronius Hello Old Chum! I don't think Brad will succeed. The point of throwing money at Brad's project is to show other developers...

I wasn't going to donate to Brad (I hold him responsible for Vanguard's failure and AFAIK he doesn't seem to have learned from his mistakes there) but if his kickstarter is for a true Diku based MMO. No action-rpg bullshit. No cute Asian bullshit (the kiddie races in Final Fantasy). And has...

XP Loss? Bring it on. Losing gold on death? Sure, why not. Alternative way to reduce in-game inflation. Losing a random weapon? No fucking way. That means either: Gear is plentiful so it doesn't matter if you lose a random item (which blows) or Gear is very rare and the developers are...

You're arguing with every point I've made against Obamacare. That's termed "defending it" you total fuckwad. If you're on meth and you're thinking you're making cogent arguments: you're not. You still haven't told me where you're going to magically make all the doctors appear that you need...

Healthcare was better before Obamacare. Currently looks like there will be more uninsured Jan 1, 2014 than before. The only people who benefited from Obamacare were baby boomers not yet eligible for Medicare. Basically Obamacare takes money from poor people (the young) and gives it to...

In this is why it's pointless to argue with you idiots. If you can't realize the difference between providing services for 30 million and 300 million then what's the point? TheBeagle is just as, if not more stupid. The effect of socialized medical care is to de-incentivize people to become...

The majority of you refuse to make simple deductions and too many of you are blindly supporting Obamacare. If this site is still around in 2016 it will be fun to watch the wailing as most of you lose your insurance and start facing the ridiculous deductibles and significantly higher premiums...

The critical difference being that fraud in the government is much more likely to go unmonitored or if caught, unpunished. Obamacare was sold on fraud ("You can keep your health plan/doctor") but no one from Obama on down will get punished for that lie. Feel free to make a list of exactly...

+1 I don't want to get carpal tunnel syndrome from spending 8 hours on a Saturday playing wackamole. Physical effects aside, it's boring staring at your hot button UI all the time.

There's Pleasantville (Major supporting role) which is better than anything you list. Plus most of that list isn't better than the F&F Franchise: The Rock? Really? That's watchable only because Sean Connery is in it, not because of Cage. Walker wasn't the best actor but then again he didn't...

Surprising that NPR is trying to factcheck Obama. Normally the media just reports the Administration's lies as fact.

Bullshit statistic made up by national health care supporters at Harvard and then repeated to sell Obamacare. The actual number is more like 29% of all bankruptcies which is not the number one reason. Here's the study you're citing. As you'll see in Table 2, they basically tried to come up...