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She has tons of incentive. She wants attention and is getting attention of the highest sort. Do you know what an incentive is?

Yeah, a bunch of Brown PhDs are going to risk their careers making up a fictitious college. Keep trying.

There's no incentive for respondents to over-report forcible rape on this survey. You're making no sense here.

This is not the incapacitation statistic. That was counted seperately.

Are you seriously trying to say that a woman doesn't know whether she was forcibly penetrated against her wishes or not? Because that's some serious next-level denialism. If you're saying only perfectly objective data counts as facts, then you're throwing all of science under the bus. Every...

What you're not getting through your thick skull is that these questions (and other behaviors) were SPECIFICALLY asked for, and then those affirmatives were not counted towards the statistics for forcible rape. This was done SPECIFICALLY to exclude these behaviors from the statistic. About...

What the fuck is that supposed to mean? The researchers specifically asked for lesser behaviors, then did not include those in the data. Are you saying that women are unable to tell if someone attempted/completed forcible penetration or threatened to do so against their will? Because that's...

Didn't read study, didn't read any of my posts. Again, while the survey asked many questions many different ways, the only behaviors that were counted for attempted/completed forcible rape was unwanted attempted/completed penetration using force or threats of force against an unwilling victim.

I'm an educational psych researcher, I do research on post secondary peer tutoring programs, UX for online learning management systems, and instructor/student interactions in online courses. So like, this is not my thing, man.

Again, don't conflate this statistic with the alcohol related one.

"Feels data" is hilariously ignorant. They specifically asked questions about the full range of possible behaviors/tactics in a very granular way, then only counted those behaviors that included force or threats of force on an unwilling participant. So we know exactly what behaviors they were...

You're missing the point. By allowing a student organization to host parties in direct violation of both the law and campus policies, they are implicitly endorsing and condoning the behavior that happens at those parties. This gives the illusion of safety to your average 18 year old...

Well, let's see, I train tutors on campus, and they tell me things I really wish I didn't know. For years I worked in an office right across the hall from the main greek life office, so I heard about every single time that a house was under investigation for something. Way back when I was...

You couldn't pay me to get anywhere near the greek houses on my campus.

Wanting schools to refrain from implicitly endorsing the behavior that happens at campus (frat) parties is not the same thing as sheltering, spoiling or coddling.

Not 1/5th of dudes. Think about this logically. 1 dude can rape/attempt to rape any number of girls, if no one does anything to stop him. 40 girls? No problem.

I asked her specifically in an email for the definition of attempted forcible rape they used: "try to have sexual intercourse with you (but it did not happen) when you indicated that you didn't want to? " using either tactic: threat of force or force." Where "sexual intercourse" was...

You keep wanting to make it about drunk sex, when the study showed a high level of forcible rapenotrelated to incapacitation due to drugs or alcohol. And you can't say we don't know what they consider forcible rape, because they specifically ask for all the different categories of behaviors...

My point is that having regrettable drunken sex is one of the least-bad things that could to happen to you if you get drunk at a frat party. It can be alotworse, as that survey shows there's clearly quite a bit of attempted and/or completed rape FORCIBLE going on on campuses, at least on that...

It wasn't meant to be serious. There's no way such a form could hold up in court. The idea was to explicitly inform potential victims what actually happens at frat parties, and the joke was seeing how many would be dumb enough to sign their rights away anyway. It's not that far off from the...

How is that damaging? By forcing you to willfully acknowledge what might happen to you if you become intoxicated at a frat party, you are explicitly educating the potential victim. If they choose to sign their rights away with that knowledge, that is their prerogative.

This is a whole new level. I just read a study that shatters the whole meme that millennials are more tech savvy than the generation before them, to make up for the fact that they know nothing about anything else. It turned out that they actually had LESS tech skills. U.S. millennials post...

Okay, I'm not really disagreeing with that, though, depending on the specific level of inebriation, I think we can have a discussion on whether that is rape or not. That said, do you think this scenario you described is healthy behavior that schools should be implicitly endorsing by allowing...

I train tutors. The first thing I tell them is to assume the students they are helping learned absolutely nothing after the 6th grade and somehow got themselves to college anyway. The tutors generally inform me that was the correct approach. A whole lot of students on college campuses these...

Those previous surveys WERE ridiculous, that's why this new survey specifically picked out specific behaviors then only categorized a smaller subset as rapes. Which is why the numbers they got are very alarming. I talked to the lead contact person for the study via email 3 times today and even...

Hey, tons of US military gear says "This end towards enemy" on it. :P But no, I disagree. 18 year old (especially white) girls are ridiculously sheltered and naive, now more than ever due to being spoiled and their face stuck in their phones their entire childhood. They see a party, ON...

No, rape is a thing that happens to women. It also happens to men. One of those previous "1-in-5" studies with the ridiculously wide definitions of rape was replicated with the same definitions and found 1 in 6 college men were raped.

The soothingly nasal sound of erudite jews explaining shit at me on public radio.

Hey, I'm with you. Hence the consent form. You have to be a fucking dumbass to go to a frat party, get intoxicated, and not realize what the fuck is going to happen to you.

<3 you too.

It's not a weird obsession. Frat parties are one of the few places where underage students have easy access to large amounts of alcohol on campuses. Most campuses severely limit (or outright ban) the possession of alcohol in common dorms.

I,dumbslutnamegoeshere, formally acknowledge that by entering into this domicile and partaking of any intoxicants contained therein, I implicitly consent to any and all sexual contact, invited or otherwise, and forego any right to claim sexual assault upon my person. Any such claim I may make...

Frat houses should just be required to hand out rape waivers at the door during parties. If you don't consent to being potentially raped they should have to turn you away. I'd be really interested in seeing how many sign anyway.

Oh fuck you found it before me.

I don't actually think affirmative consent is a good idea, and I also don't really care about it. I'm just theorycrafting what are the actual problems with it? Things I actually care about are: the amount of actual rapey rapes going on and the various reasons they go unreported. And that...

The complete lack of potential victim education is a serious problem, and one that should definitely be addressed first before going into this affirmative consent stuff. The first minute of college orientation should include a pamphlet + video that says "DON'T GO TO FRAT HOUSES AND GET DRUNK...

What am I doing to make anyone miserable other than posting on a forum?

Less rapes is not a dystopian nightmare. Literally what is the worst that could happen if everyone respected affirmative consent? Less sex?

I agree with the AngryGerbil. Though my case was very different. In my case, they didn't send a proper adjuster out for over 18 months and I told them that after that amount of negligence they were on the hook for not only the original damage, but all the mold damage in that period of time...

I'm thinking its a pretty fucking rapey campus! Explains why they can't name the college, there's no way they would want their name attached to this. These numbers are fucking bad.