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Even with how this has gone I feel like Brad et all could work their asses off in the next week, create a substantial design document, publish it and earn back the favor of our demographic. And if it fails I still think he could come back in a few months to a year with more demonstrable...

Hey guys it's been a long day how's the kickstarter doing?

brad just tweeted the name for the shapeshifter class: "Moon Moon"

Here's another good name: "Night Knight" I'll take the check in the mail.

+1 for necroswords. -1 for Dark Knight. Unless they completely change the class description to completely match the Batman.

You'll get more compilations the further from release because people will stop updating their mods and things will settle down.

Seems like such a bad precedent to set for an MMO, given how rushed and unfinished the typical MMO is, and how you only get that new MMO feeling a single time.

I signed up to that site but they didn't send me an registration email yet. edit: It was in my spam folder and now I have to wait for user account approval and can't PM the admins!

This is a very good critique and summary. Brad has a chance with stating he'll create something we want, but if he wants to capitalize on that chance and be successful with his kickstarter he's going to need to do much better.

I'm down with that. In Skyrim when I was doing super immersive, dead is dead playthroughs I modded my map so it didn't show my location. I also modded the compass to remove the near location icons and enemy icons. The game world really changes when you stop looking at terrain as just eye candy...

Fuck EC tunnel. Ingame maps are fine. I think how WoW did them was perfect (Have them blank at first and unveil as you progress). You could even combine them with EQ's system with player-made notes and add a structure to share them. Personally with EQ I just downloaded a map pack and put it...

It works great for a horror game or a game like Dark Souls, but in MMOs it'd just be a pain. Unless you can implement a way for the player to remove it, and then what's the point?

Yeah, it'll be difficult recreating the the bard class. It's really one of a kind and I just don't see another game allowing so many broken abilities to be combined with such mediocre ones!

This nails it 100%.

It's pretty hard to get amazing gameplay from a garage operation unless you get lucky with a few really dedicated and talented developers.

false equivalence.

That's how I feel. WoW vanilla saw the loss of outdoor PVP with the addition of battlegrounds and the pvp honor system. TBC added flying mounts and the game got more formulaic. Wotlk was more of the same

Would be cool to see a timelapse gif of that being built and eaten.

What? WoW had a huge amount of prerelease hype among EQ1 players who were excited for a change.

Hahahaha this would be great.

If Pantheon gets 800k funding and works with just that it probably won't be considered a AAA game. If they attract more funding and get 7million from various sources then yeah, it's reasonable to expect a AAA game. Not sure where the disagreement is here. Re: Instanced vs non-instanced...

If you guys want to go over Utnayan's vague and amorphous insight (He really moved away from being 100% confident that SOE was secretly funding Pantheon) please use this thread:Utnayan's Never Was Thread If you want to complain about the moderation or the idea of a developer being a virtual...

This is exactly what I thought I gave Khane, I have no idea who that guy is besides the link I sent Khane.

Oddly enough I feel like an MMO with cinematic quality cutscenes and streamlined questing and well balanced encounters that are all equally easy would be more expensive than a solid combat system, inter-dependent classes and an open sandbox world.

I haven't really seen any trolling done in this thread. What Utnayan did couldn't be considered trolling because it was so embarrassing.

Lithose has far more credibility than someone who posts on a forum should have. Most people are like me and just post tripe.

EQN is very different from EQ but it's still EQ. Having a 'spiritual successor to EQ" would be a competitor.

If you have proof of something post it or bring one of your six people who have proof. Otherwise move on from this creepy shit. Also there's no way to claim you'd be in any position at SoE without looking like a fool with no credibility.

Thanks for the hard work and welcome to the posting side!

Is there any evidence that Brad has corporate financial and they are just trying to squeeze nostalgic gamers out of a few bucks to decrease some early investment cost? Besides a tweet that someone in SOE marketing wants to drum up some hype for whatever.

Pre-alpha testers burn out realllly quickly. They join and are excited to test but games can be awful and boring when only some of the mechanics are in and a character wipe happens every week.

This is pretty cool, but like any high level description of a cleric class isn't that exciting. What makes classes exciting is the general feel of them (which is already known for a class like cleric) and very specific, class defining abilities. For an EQ cleric you could pretty much copy the...

Should completely remove the con system and constantly put in mobs that are way out of your league.

If they used the old EQ1 engine the programmers would probably spend half the time refactoring the bard class and getting rangers to auto-attack correctly with their bows!

Yeah you'd have to have a real small beans shop for $75k to be more of a problem than 7% revenue.

I'd rather have 1000 backers give $50 than 100 backers giving $500

I agree with you on this. The difference between, "Getting the source meant having to give up 7% of our gross revenue" and "We can't get the source" is pretty minimal.

Utnayan is free to come in this thread and discuss flaws with the project/direction/whatever as long as he makes a point and moves on from that point. This thread moves fast and is pretty interesting, so any time a poster comes in and beats a subject to death with a huge number of posts it ruins...