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Oh no I get that, but I don't think it's really correct to calculate those costs on a per employee basis. Similarly to the hosting discussion we had earlier, those costs do not go up linearly, and calculating it that way is extremely inaccurate IMO.

I have no doubt this kind of 'squad' tactics game would be WAY better with friends to play with

Ya, I think that's the next step. I need to get better at movement and enemy recognition, not to mention map knowledge.

As someone who employs people, I am very aware that employees cost much more than their salaries. Also, as someone who employs people, I would never include costs like equipment, rent, and utilities in labour cost, or any kind of bizarre 'cost to run a business per employee' calculation...

Did you just say that, or was it the inevitable typo result of double fisting Smed and Brad's cocks?

Watch the documentary

Hmmm I seem to remember there being an AH, it was just super broken for a little over a week after launch.

Just watched the EverCracked! documentary on YouTube... People have said it in this thread and others, but man, EQ was a total fluke. They launched with the perfect product, taking advantage of new technology at the perfect time... Other than that, the game is what the players made it.

Well, took the advice many of you offered. My Kratio definitely improved (best was actually 7:8 which i was quite happy with considering my previous performance). Unfortunately, I probably had even less fun playing this way than I did when I was getting spanked. Creeping around following team...

I only played the game for the 4-6 weeks after release, getting two classes to max... And in those early times the economy was pretty rough, but that's to be expected. Is that what he means maybe?

I'm very very curious to see their video response to the death penalty poll on the roundtable. 62% of people who voted want at LEAST xp loss and de-leveling and there is no way that is getting into EQNext.

Hmmm will try these tips, thanks guys

You're so right... I'm just so in love with the B5 universe that it blinds me to the truth some times

He died a hero. Also, why isn't there a B5 MMO.

Kk, well, we were talking about revenue since making assumptions about cost and profit values would just be pulling numbers out of thin air (see: above).

I never said all $60 of a box sale was profit. We've been speaking in terms of revenue this whole time.

Cool we're lumping utilities and physical assets into labor costs now too... I'm gonna quit talking to you now before you try to pull any more voodoo math nonsense on me.

Fair enough. Maybe 38S would have spent DOUBLE on all those costs (see, I can pull numbers from a hat too).... So $1 out of every $15 sub... Still way off

Why are we assuming this game is going to sell less boxes than KOA:R? 1.2million x $60 is a hell of a lot more than $30M.

Jesus now I'm looking at your labour cost numbers and those ae totally batshit insane too. 200 people making an average salary of $125,000/year? Come the fuck on. Your values are totally absurd, and are skewed to prove your point. You could at least attempt to be accurate when talking down to...

Your numbers are astronomically wrong:World of Warcraft Cost Blizzard $200M in Upkeep Since 2004 In four years, with a player base of 10million people, WoW cost $200 million in upkeep. That's a little over $4 million/month, or, less than $0.50 per subbed player per month. Oh, and that's...

The fact that you totally ignore potential revenue from box sales? Your ridiculously low estimates of sub numbers? Your over the top $6 per person per month estimate for hosting and infrastructure?

I'm not going to comment on your wall of text that consisted of first year Econ knowledge and values you pulled from your ass... And then miscalculated on top of it.... No thanks.

Is your Avatar Bryan Cranston in Babylon 5?

It's pretty common that people love to watch a good failure.

There is no way those costs go up that linearly. That implies WoW spends upwards of $42,000,000 a month on the expenditures you mention. Doesn't seem likely at all.

EQOA always felt more like EQ to me than EQ2 ever did

Looking through your post history, it's quite a few.

Is there a reason you continually feel the need to insult everyone you converse with without provocation? You okay, man? Btw, I noticed you applied a 60% profit calculation to subscription fees, as well as box sales, for some unknown reason. The box I get, but why the sub fees? Based on what?

Nah, but given the recent performance of similar products, I'm assuming at least 1 million box sales. Hell, I think GW2 pumped out 3 million boxes in under a year.

No, I'm not fucking stupid, and I'm not trolling. Even after many dismal reviews (and a few favorable ones) KoA sold 1.2 million+ copies. There was strength in the IP. It was incredibly foolish to not allow this game to be finished. I'm pretty sure CCP posted 66mil in revenue last year and...

Ya, EQOA probably had the best world of any MMO I have ever played....but it's a close tie with Vanguard.

I don't understand why I suck so hard at games like BF and COD. I used to be scary at counter strike back in the day, and I was literally one of the best on the planet in Tribes and Tribes 2 (played both competatively). I load up the beta to this the other day and immediately go 4 kills to like...

Another note... I played this game so much I burned out my launch day PS2 lol

Played the shit out of this after I quit EQ and before WOW release. Had a Rogue (Wumple) and an Enchanter (Ninikbik) on Diren Hold. Was in a guild called Ethereal Descendants and another one called Genocide at some point.Both top tier guilds on the server... whatever that meant. I was guild...

Dude... 75mil is a joke in MMO land. Even if RI dropped 200mil on it by the end, that shit would have been paid back within the year.

The RI officials who bungled this are fucking retarded. Even if the game was absolute garbage, the genre is big enough now that there are hundreds of thousands of people who will just buy every MMO released and play for at least the free month. Their investment would have been recovered on box...

Titan killer indeed. *cough*

That's (if I remember grade 9 French properly) the imperative conjugation of the verb 'voter' (pronounced vo-Tay). By law we have to have both English and French on any product label.

You can get a brand spankin' new rig that will play most games on high-ultra at 45-60 FPS for around the $1000 mark quite easily. Also, no budget gaming build of mine would ever include a luxury item like an SSD, let alone one for a ridiculous $220+.