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Im sure you can start now. The story stuff leading up to WT5 probably wont change that much if at all. most of the changes in gear and all the other stuff will be at end game.

Games like this one and Grim dawn rely on build variety that D3 simply does not have. So you build up characters, either by others builds or your own, and then you see how far you can take them until they shit the bed. Then you either tweak it and try again, or start over with a different build...

Grim Dawns end game is even weaker, some would say non existant comparing it to D3 or POE yet people play the shit out of that for 100s of hours.

LOL let compare POE which has almost 10 yrs of content and multiple reworks of the end game, not to mention layers and layers of past leagues to a indie title that just came out.

Thats actually not that bad, price wise. Thanks for the infos. I guess I will get a list together of the kitchen and start pricing this shit out.

Played the shit out of all of these, in fact most people who are into ARPGs played the shit out of all of them. Hades and Book of Demons I would not classify as ARPG.

Yeah I didnt understand his post either.

Good start. Less than a week and they are already tackling some of the major shit.

Basically treat this one like a early release. Yes there are bugs, yes there is shit broken. But the core of the game is fun, it has a unique classless skill system where you can mix and match whatever you want. The end game is pretty much like D3 for the most part. Rifts and Grifts. If youre...

I have 600 hrs in grim dawn. But yes, if you dont own it, go right now to steam and purchase all their shit. I guarantee you will have a blast if you like ARPG.

Now this statement I can get behind.

The point is there is not that many. And the ones that exist weve played to death. Yes there is a lot of gaming options out there, but genre wise, in ARPG? Not that many that scratch that itch like this one.

Meh, name some good ARPG that I havent played.

Ooop, here comes UT, the resident board gaming white knight warning all of us plebs about these evil gaming companies out for our two Jackson's.

Yeah, I hear you man. I want at least something decent, I dont even mind HDPE painted door fronts but I want at least solid plywood interiors and solid wood face frames. Were not going to be sticking around here for long and kitchen is the last room that needs to be done. Shit thats in there...

Some maths shit is def funky in this game. Also they dont explain anything. Like for instance why does my DPS get cut when I equip a shield? Why is this even a thing? Isnt this why 2h and dual wield does more dmg to offset for the fact that I cannot equip shield? Also spell dmg seems to be...

Anyone have a decent cheap place to buy cabinets online? I'm not looking for top tier here, would not even mind putting them together either.

Thing that I found for leveling is picking one skill that really scales well through at least the first 2 difficulties or therabouts. Then respec later into those "builds" they have showcased on their forums and such when you have the levels and points, devotions. Like forcwave for soldier, or...

Definitely a good game, plus the music rocks.

Yeah this game is pretty unrelenting later if you dont have your shit straight. 1st play through is EZ, 2nd is hard, 3rdd you better have your ducks in a row.

Yeah I cant believe there is not more studios making these things, its like printing moneys. People are so hard up for the next one.

Nope they are not gonna fix anything. Shop closed. They all bought Ferarris and fixing to go on some bingers.

I have not seen any sites that have build tools yet but check out Alkizer stream vids from fri and sat on twitch, he created a nasty pistol and shield ranger. Crit based. Which he was doing the end game shit with him by sat. That will give you ideas at least. I linked the fri vod here a few...

I had the same problem, my dude would move instead of pew-pew but there is a button you can map so once you press it your dude stops moving and uses attack.

Ill give you that. But , it will take a person 1-2 leagues before they even remotely know WTF is going on because PoE is succh a hot layered mess. And if they do decide to stick around they are spending at least $60 to ahve the stash tabs and all that other bullshit to play normally.

Yeah im sure POE had all this shit nailed down when they released? Random one shot deaths everywhere, skills not workign properly, etc? DO you even remeber POE when it launched? Or in beta? But I guess POE gets skate because it was F2P right? Youre comparing a game that is now made by like 500+...

I dont have any hair left, lol.

Shit cop out for being boring. Its his fucking job. My work is boring to 80% of the time yet I still have to show up and do it. This dude streamed for not more than 5-6 hours a day. 1/2 that time doing nothing in game anyway except arguing with someone or watching a youtube video. Obviously he...

Are fake teeth not screwed in to the jaw? Or else they are dentures which im sure hes not sporting dentures, lol.

Didnt that thot dump his ass? If so, he was probabaly crying himself asleep for the last month.

Just like in any thread you ask a question like that youre goona get both sides riled up and defending their precious. And at the end of the day you will be more confused then ever. Go watch some youtube reviews, watch some twitch vods of people playing it for 6-8 hrs a day for days now and you...

People quit this game because there was no meta end game to sort of put it. Now we have alerts and shit like this, continent locks which sort of give you a purpose to take and hold territory. Granted some fights back then were epic as fuck, but doing it over and over again sans purpose, well...

Its a $40 game made by 12-15 dudes and is indy as fuck. this is not EA and one of their $200,000,000 AAA games that comes out being a C title.You guys are making it seem like some life altering decision to buy it like youre giving your left nut to play this. Its literally 3 lunches. I like...

Leveling is not the problem though, a few casual nights and you will eventually get there and have fun doing it. It's all the grinding you have to do for all those weapon attachment recipes that take time. The scopes, grips and mags which sometimes make the guns in the end game. Yeah that shit...

Lol wtf are you doing over here? Another season about done?

Every post I made in this thread was IMO, and stated as such. If you're gonna go out and buy something without investigating it yourself first, then you deserve a shit sandwich. I did not buy this game based off some dudes opinion in here. I watched about 8 hours of twitch streams while bored...

I will spend my $40 the way I see fit. In fact im looking forward to going home and firing it up.

LOL, so dont fucking buy it i dont give a shit. This game is far from being barely serviceable. Unless you were one dead set on playing online, and then well you have a point, but its not like you could not play the game to its fullest in offline mode. But wahtevs, people have a different...

IMO its more fun than D3, although lacking the Blizzard polish. I for one would rather play a fun game thats lacking in polish than a polished up game lacking in fun.

Think of them as an added "act". Malmouth adds one and the new one adds another. New one is better than Malmouth but because Malmouth seemed like youre stuck in corridors all the fucking time, but still its a good exp which adds a ton of content, gear sets at the highest difficulty and I think...