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Or because it happenswayless than actual rapes. If you're saying there's an acceptable level of RAPE, then what is the acceptable level of false accusation of rape? If 1 in 25 men were falsely being accused of rape, I would certainly have a fucking problem with it.

Complete reading comprehension failure.

This is the global warming problem all over again. Do you accurately state the dangers of global warming, knowing that people are ignorant and the dangerous will be ignored until it's too late and humanity is doomed? Or do you report the dangers in an alarmist manner and give humanity some...

How many more pages of apologism for rapists do we need to go through before you all admit you're fucking scumbags, or so afraid of being falsely labeled a scumbag that you're willing to provide cover for them?

This is a case of lying with numbers. Most of the rapes in the US happen to people in economically at-risk populations. Most crime victims in general are poor people, homeless, drug addicts, etc. But as far as your average middle class+ girls go, there's no place they're more likely to be...

Staggeringly stupid 'solution.' Your solution does nothing to address the problem and might make it worse. A lot of the problem stems from the fact that girls are TOO naive and aren't aware of the dangers. There's a reason we've been telling the little red riding hood story for a millennium...

For the purposes of this thought experiment, let's just talk about college campuses, or maybe people between the ages of 18 and 21.

It's 7 dollars and playable.

Yeah, you got me with that one.

So what's your solution? Problem: A significant number of women still feel, despite the fact that rape incidents are down, that the system itself is stacked against them if the do get raped. A significant number of parents think their children are being sent into unsafe environments on...

I was just fishing for ideas. At no point did I suggest lowering the burden of proof Cad said women need to get more proof of consent or lack of consent. Thought experiment for the thread: If "yes means yes" laws and sex contract apps significantly lowered the potential 'cost' of sex for...

You're not gonna get a defense of religion from me. I was an atheist before it was cool.

Regardless, our current legal system is based on centuries of common law in which women's sexuality was not considered to be under their own control. Some of that common law has religious origins, but even if you got rid of religion, it wouldn't change how the current legal system is set up.

Okay, fine. Let's reframe this entire argument. Is it safe to say that most men would like women to more freely engage in sexual activity with them? Creating a system in which women feel more safe having sexual relations will actually encourage women to have MORE sex. By protecting...

No, they buy and sell the shitty financial deals that are sold to consumers.

This is exactly like arguing with investment bankers about consumer financial protection. They're way more likely to be accused of taking advantage of someone (guilty or otherwise) than they are of being taken advantage of, therefore ipso facto, there shouldn't be any regulations ever.

Uh, duh, EXACTLY. Women were literally property and had absolutely no control governance of their own sexuality most of recorded history. The only reason rape was even a crime was so that men could charge other men for raping their own daughters and wives, aka damaging their property. The...

Absolutely. The amount of emotional trauma involved in pursuing a rape case is almost always equal or worse emotional trauma than the act itself.

Allowing for a legal recourse is not coddling. Do you think rape victims WANT to be on the stand having everything they've ever done in their life called into question?

And the difference is, I wouldn't want a system set up to defend those women.

Again, works both ways. You can ruin your own life by accusing someone who's 100% beyond any doubt guilty of rape.

I never once said that women don't lie, or that women aren't crazy and make shit up, or anything like that, because those are absurd arguments. What I proposed is a thought experiment for setting up a system that protects as many people as possible on either side of the equation, because I...

What this says to me is "I too would take advantage of a vulnerable person to get something that I want, therefore I think we should keep protecting the rights of abusers and blaming the victim."

You guys are sticking to the bullshit case that I said was bullshit in the first place.

Every single thing you guys say in this thread, while in theory says 'we must protect the rights of the accused at all costs' in practice means 'women should just get used to being abused and their abusers getting away with it.' And that's just a calculated risk of knowing which side of the...

A clever sociopath knows how to get away with abusing people. How do you protect society from these people? You guys keep talking specifically in terms of this case, which I already said was bullshit, rather than engaging in a general argument.

The poor abuser that took advantage of a girl until she finally developed the emotional capacity to realize she was being abused. Boo fucking woo. And he wasn't expelled, that's the whole point of her protest. Your arguments still boil down "it's okay to abuse people as long as you can...

We've already agreed this girl has no legal right to charge him with rape.

I really don't think she's going to go around embarrassing the shit out of herself if the guy did absolutely nothing to abuse her.

Yes, exactly. We finally agree on something, Big P. I get the impression that most of the dudes in this thread think most rapes should never go to trial because we always have to side with the accused by default.

I'm definitely not talking about shitty boyfriends, I already said she has no legal leg to stand on.

And what about the rights of victims? Our legal system is actually set up to balance the rights of the accused against the rights of the victim to seek justice. If it was just set up to protect the accused, they'd get cleared every time. It's actually setup to be about 51/49 between the...

My point is that you guys seem to be framing all your arguments as if you're protecting Good Guy Greg from all these false rape accusations, where my point is that Good Guy Greg is not the one that's going around raping and/or abusing women, and the Good Guy Gregs of the world are not the ones...

You really think this is true? You really just think there's this herd of women going around accusing men of rape who didn't consciously and deliberately abuse them? Now I'm with you guys up to the point that there's a lot of women throwing around the rape word where it doesn't belong. And...

I never once made that suggestion.

And most women aren't raped. That's irrelevant to the discussion. We're talking about sociopaths that are accused of a crime and women who are victims of rape. My point is that you're going to end up coddling someone. If you're giving abusers legal wiggle room to abuse people, you're...

Okay so we've agreed that there's no black and white solution. But at some point you have to come down on some side of a grey line between protecting the rights of sociopaths vs the rights of vulnerable women. Given that we live in a democracy, which side of that divide do you think most...

"I'm sorry ma'am, but your rape fell within the monthly quota of acceptable rapes, so you're out of luck. If you'd been the 39th caller, you would have won a state prosecutor AND a new blender."

But "get better proof" is justification for using those sex contract apps, that you guys think are ridiculous. "Get better proof" is endorsement of "yes means yes."

Sure, but what is the solution? Because I don't think it's "keep being apologists for sociopathy" either.