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God bless you, and I'm sure the gaming producers feel the same but I can't play crap. I can't read crap. I can't even watch crap. Not anymore. I'd rather play MOO2 than whatever is new and shiny and better looking than MOO2 but not as good as MOO2. MMOs are the same, I regret that my work...

I find EQ's numbers highly relevant since it's a zoned game and Pantheon will be a zoned game. Edit: DAOC not so much ;-) How's it hanging a_skeleton_03? You living it up on Friday Night?

Holy shit, didn't realize Kirun was using CAPITAL LETTERS in HIS PosT. That means he is totes serial! :OMG:

Well funded Corporate Monstrosities v. Independent Fledgling Eaglet. Night and Fucking Day. Ut bashing on Zenimax is speaking truth to power. Ut bashing on Brad is pistolwhipping a man who's already said "Uncle".

The MMO Champion Pantheon thread had some links on this... EQ 8 Million. DAOC was 3 million. It goes up from there: GW1 between 20 and 30M Brad said VG was 30M I've heard 45-55M for WoW.

If the game is funded Dellorer better be a god in one of the pantheons. You will owe us that Mr. McQuaid, maybe :-)

A $100 an hour? Government?

yep. He wasn't getting that most of us recognized we were probably kissing that money good bye.

Yeah, be interesting to see what's going on - really subclassing or just flavor. Remember Brad's 90/10 comment.

Then don't buy it. The point is that the old concepts were actually the right concepts and they were thrown out by newer mmos, if that doesn't get you interested no prob. A dozen dozen threads on other mmos to look at.

Eh WoW talent trees blew. However, if its being done due to a cost issues I'll deal with it.

TBH, I prefer flat classes as well. But I'll wait for the PC gamer reveal.

Necro seems highly likely if sk is confirmed. But monks and bards

Interesting. So you think warrior will be able to spec SK or pally? Makes sense game play wise, not lore wise.

You either dream big or resign yourself to the status quo.

No link to the videoNo heart Draegan, no heart.

Nobody cares Ut, I think we just want you to stop shitting up threads, but it seems you have been shitting up threads for so long you have forgotten there is such a thing as constructive criticism. Too bad dude, as you can be funny when you're not trying to be Sir Lancelot and defend the...

Brad, If you don't mind ignoring the side show. About the cleric reveal, is the idea you can use equipment to spec Cleric i(eq cleric) or cleric II (vg blood mage). it wasn't clear.

The annoying thing is that once it is completed (or rather released since it won't be feature complete at release) jackasses like you, Ut and kirun will play but you will use other in game names so I/we can't find you and train you for being said jackasses. Ah well

Anyone can't. Brad is 1-1, so yeah he can.

Don't feed the trolls.

Lol. The flying monkeys are out of the castle now. Kirun and Utnayan and Bayr - Oh My! Will Brad find his Courage, a_skeleton_03 his Brain and Draegen his Heart? Tune in next week to find out...

Not how that works. @Gavinrad white knighting for Ut by being a worse poster than he is on this thread? Bold strategy Cotton, lets see how it works for you.

Better to support hope than wallow in despair.

Always the strawman eh Gavinrad? @Tiv Holy First Posts Batman

Yeah a lot if people, including me, have requested a tester + lifetime tier around 475-400.

Regarding Georgeson. I'm pretty sure I said this in the eqnext thread during soe live. But I'll repeat it. I didn't like his video presentation personality, however when I chatted with him briefly in person he seemed alright. Butler on the other hand clearly couldn't wait to stop talking to me ;-)

Sure you do.

Cite please.

If you and Ut are going to slam kickstarter constantly, I'd really like some numbers. How many duped consumers were defrauded? Cause I see lots of people who have supported 10 projects or more.. Seems like if fraud was an issue that wouldn't be happening.

I'm pretty sure they do but feel free to have the last post on this. I haven't heard anything that remotely suggest SB in Pantheon, so not worth further discussion.

And there is only one placeholder mob to repeatedly kill - I wish I'd kept a Mickey Mouse or that walking fish from VG.

If I have an exclusive right to something that means others don't get to use it during the term of the contract conferring that right. It means the entity from whom I purchased said right doesn't get to turn around and sell whatever it is I have exclusive right to, to someone else (for the...

You probably should have looked up the definition of the word exclusive before posting, but since SB probably isn't relevant it doesn't really matter, probably.

Last I heard, SB is currently exclusive to Sony. So no, Brad could not use SB tech without Sony's permission at this point in time. That said, I don't see how it would fit exactly as SB mob combat AI is anti-trinity.

This we know.. If you're going to keep this ks going consider Laerazi's, Draegen's and Grave's points and spend some time redoing the video to something that can be forwarded on without a lengthy "I know it's a little awkward but..." and redo the ks site so it's clear what is going on in the...

You are right. Brad stated SOE is all eqnext, all the time. The only connection he said was the possibility of using some SOE tech, didn't say what tech (storybricks?) or if vr would have to pay. Unless Pantheon is going to run on the PS4 SOE is not going to get involved now or tomorrow.

It sure beats whining about the lack of good MMOs and/or re-re-reliving the "good old days."

@Hateyou I agree. I really would prefer a reset of the kickstarter with better video, more concept art and tiers that make sense from the get go. As discussed way back before Monday, most really successful kickstarters like Obsidian's had a lot of pre-KS marketing so first day was huge...

You are paranoid to the point of insanity. @a_skeleton_03 you are not paranoid to the point of insanity, but I really don't get your fixation on the engine here, bro. The focus needs to be on getting Brad's little project (BLP) funded, all you're doing talking about engines is propping up...