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Just because they failed doesn't mean they weren't competition. EQ was better, then EQ got curb-stomped by WoW and many games competed with WoW and also got curb-stomped until we're in the situation now where Wow is bleeding subs and there isn't another good game in sight. @Greyform my bad...

This is beyond retarded. If EQ had sucked no one would have played it as there were many other things a person could do in 1999-2004. Holy fuck. As for your supposedly dated mechanics (1) social interaction in in-world dungeons is what is missing from "modern" MMOs and (2) boxing is a plus...

UO & Meridian were certainly competition as was Asheron's Call and later Anarchy Online (2001). You don't get to narrow the field like that buddy that's not how this works.

Which ones specifically are dated?

I thought the guy was pounding Zimmerman's head into concrete? That's much easier than punching.

Don't kid yourself. It's about giving them the game with a forfeit. Instances are mostly bullshit - there are a few special cases where they're appropriate (such as the class specific quests in LOTRO). The only "instance" that should exist is the server instance: that's division enough. As...

So you think everyone should get everything they want when they want it? Interesting.

You're a reasonably smart guy Agraza so give me a fucking break here. Less of something makes it more valuable. When everyone has a SSOY it is not as valuable is when only a few people have it. More to the point once everyone has one there is no need to run LGuk anymore and the content that the...

There were many non-poop sockers in EQ and even in VG. So no.

A good point that will be mostly ignored. Content churn is a major problem with modern MMOs because of instances. So yes another reason instances should be avoided if at all possible.

Rezz is part of the fohguild/rerolled group that inexplicably wants EQN to fail so pointless to argue with him rationally.

This is SOE. They will release early and incomplete. Look at PS2. Also by all accounts they're in alpha, the switch happened in October 2012 and they're keeping the art assets. March - November is my bet for the launch window, and they'll launch early if they can (March/April/May).

Indifference. I didn't mind WoW Vanilla combat but VG combat was better simply because of OT/DT - VG had more abilities up all the time (a negative) but WoW had talent trees (also a negative) which generally would affect what abilities you had. Both are roughly equally distant from EQ in terms...

Yes, that's always the conundrum. Assuming EQN is interesting looking (still a big assumption given predictions like Rezz'), do you play at release and deal with the lag and hope to somehow break out a little bit to see the new stuff first or do you wait a week or two until newbie areas area...

Summer 2014 is inbetween March 2014 and Thanksgiving 2014. March 2014 is the earliest, Thanksgiving 2014 is the latest so summer is probably the probabaliest. @Rezz I think you're wrong on group dungeons being instanced. Instances = Wow. Openworld = EQ. As noted some raid encounters will...

Butler and McPherson are both ex-Sigil. Game is releasing between March 2014 and Thanksgiving 2014. There won't be a 2 year wait. And mods need to close this thread on July 31st/Aug 1st and we need to open an SOE Live Live thread (for those of us going to post in - mostly but not completely...

I don't see heavy instancing on the group-dungeon side not in the lego-Norrath world they're promising doesn't make any sense - imagine Minecraft with instancing. However, there is likely some instancing in the raid game (mix of instanced and contested raid targets) and possibly public...

We will see buddy and modern MMOs have nothing new or interesting to offer.

Yes you are. You are advocating for DDR as you state flat out that anyone advocating for an effective auto-attack is "too lazy to be good". You want to push buttons and see flashy lights.

Did you play EQ? I'm not talking about raids. I'm talking about if you had a solid group with a puller all of whom knew what they were doing. Barring the odd pull where too many mobs showed up, you had time to chat and socialize as you gained xp. If it was a good group, you might all just find...

Yes. EQ2 isn't EQ.

Way to misinterpret. When you're holding a camp and doing set pulls of mobs that you're group can easily kill, it's not a problem for you to kill them with auto-attack while you chat and occasional press a random DPS ability and yes, if things are going fine and the guys are dying withing 20-45...

We've got the government we deserve. Compare Brazil's protest over ticket increases to almost no protests over the creation of a police state. Time to just buy a ranch in South Dakota and get off the grid as much as you can.

It's completely rational given that EQ wasn't an action based RPG. Not if what they want is an action-based RPG.

Lol. Sure buddy. So I guess every time there's a cutscene in WoW you flipout? ------------ Anyway, it's amazing how many people in the EQN thread never appear to have actually played EQ.

So you're just trolling this thread then. Nice.

Well if EQN is just a WoW clone then not only is my post above pointless but this whole thread is pointless. So no worries.

This is the EQN thread not the Wildstar thread. There should be no need to defend EQ autoattack in this thread. If you, Byr and company want an action RPG you've got lots of options now and more coming up. But fuck you all if you want EQ to be an action RPG. Cheers

And this is why we can't have nice things. You completely missed the point, it's not that you kill every mob with auto-attack, it's that if you've got a mob you can kill with aa, you can hit the mob and then do something else for a minute or two (grab a beer, answer a phone call, take a dump)...

Sure buddy, because the wheel needs be re-invented every fucking time. Amirite?

Travyon was his son, didn't you know that?

Frustration not venom. I shouldn't have to explain why a simple auto-attack is best on this forum. It's not just typing. If for example, I'm facing a mob I can kill on aa. I can click on aa and go grab a root beer from the fridge. It's about quality of life in gaming. As Ukerric noted...

No, I don't. You're arguing that continuously holding down a key is equivalent to pressing a key once. If you can't understand the difference between the two you're certainly not going to understand why it negatively impacts my gameplay. I will however give you one hint and then stop this...

There's a big difference with me having to hold something down and me just clicking a key once. If you can't see the difference not much I can say as it's not really an arguable point. You can insist the sky is green as much as you want, but it's still blue.

How is continuously holding a mouse button down for the entirety of a combat in anyway comparable to pressing one key one time for auto-attack for the entirety of a combat?

Your sarcasm is wasted as an efficiently written MMORPG should work with dial up internet. Maybe there'll be some issues in a 72 man raid but all the heavy data (textures, models, etc.) should be on your computer so only location data and the like should be going back and forth.

Having to hold down the left mouse button is not an auto-attack.

Yep. I saw which way Blizzard was going and quit a few patches after that. SOE's guilty of similar things removing items they considered OP, so I'm sure if EQN is any good the best years will be the first year or three.

Hahahah. Ad hominems when you've got nothing better to say. Anyway, I think I'll trust my own judgment on EQN and not that of some random guy who claims to be best buddies with an SOE programmer but thanks! #dontgofullretard

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