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And YOU can't get away from the fact that content will ALWAYS be consumed faster than developers can push it out. Including by dad-vibes super casuals. BUT there is a fix for this, so that not every DadGuild002 is stepping on their dicks trying to enjoy the content in your game.... Too bad...

And there it is.... EVERY non-instance ball-licker always winds up in the same spot... MOAR CONTENT!!11!11! From a part-time indie-dev team PRAYING their EA allows them to go full time and STILL be one of the smallest teams ever to try something like this. You can't fix stupid.

And I believe the market will agree with me. We shall see. Edit: To be clear, you are saying that an Indie-Dev team will be able to do something that AAA studios can't do: Put out content before even casuals are able to completely consume it. Good luck.

Instancing relieves the problem of those who climb the ladder latter actually being able to reach to top BEFORE the next set of content being released. Otherwise, if you stratify your playerbase, as you descirbe, you again remove that illusion of "possibly equal". And you again crater your...

And now we're back to "throw more content at it". Because the ladder climb of players will ALWAYS out pace the content release of devs. Even if it takes dad-vibes a couple months to climb that ladder after the poopsockers do it in a couple weeks, you are STILL setting yourself up to have more...

And I will counter that this is only works if the "have nots" have the perception that they can become the "haves." If you remove that illusion, either by designs that allow players to lock people out of content, or randomness that prevents players from realistically engaging in content, then...

You can deny the reality of the market all you want and stick your head in the sand. We have just as many WoW clones that have been successful as well that we can point to and say that the market still has a demand there. As for these "fun, immersive" ways of instancing without instancing...

We also know what the market is like in 2026 and what players are will accept as long-term viable subscription based games. Logging in to sit around and not be able to progress your character because 100 poopsockers have raid targets on rotation lockdowns doesn't work. You want to argue in...

No, the argument about monopolizing spawns was to simply throw more content into the game. Which means you are trying to create enough content that not everyone can possibly consume it without competition. That simply is impossible. Full stop. A dev team simply can NOT create more content...

Sweet. So you are going to single-handedly pay for all the developers / infrastructure needed to keep the game alive? I envy your wealth, good sir. If not, then I suggest you think beyond your own personal interests and think about what will create a COMMERCIALLY VIABLE product that enough...

Throwing more content at the problem has already been proven to not work. Players mow through content FAR faster than developers can even HOPE to produce it. Unless you are a fan of AI slop. This "solution" has already been tested and discarded as a losing strategy. The only way for this to...

Sweet. Post them and we can discuss them. Since this is a DISCUSSION board after all...... Regale us with your wisdom and game design brilliance.

I agree. The idea for instances / phases is simply to allow everyone that pays their $15 a month to experience ALL the game has to offer. Getting locked out of content simply because you didn't join the correct poopsock guild is unacceptable in 2026. But that doesn't mean you should never see...

Calling EQ "old school" is like calling Super Mario Bros 1 "old school." It was only that because that is what the technology at the time could allow. Technology has moved WAY past what both EQ and SMB1 were made of. Instancing / phasing / world design have all had MASSIVE technological...

Everyone agrees with this. NO ONE IS ARGUING OTHERWISE. The PROBLEM with a non-instanced game, is that a small number of people monopolize #2 and short circuit this cycle FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF OTHER PLAYERS. I don't know why this is so freaking hard for the non-instanced ball-lickers...

Sooooo.... Ancient Cyclopse, Gorenaire, and Quillmane?? Nah, never been done before....

But my dude!!! THESE guys are going to DO IT RIGHT and it will take at least A YEAR before anyone doing end game content!!!1!111!1!!1

Instances and phasing ARE core designs. If those are just "tacked on later" you get the pile of trash that was release Plane of Time. If that is "fun" for you, then you are a very small minority of gamer that does not have the numbers to sustain a commercially viable product.

Then you're just a moron if you believe it will take 1-2 years for the majority of players to hit max level in MnM. That is why I'm giving this game 6 months. The poopsockers will do it in a 3-4 weeks. The dedicated casuals will do it in 2-4 months. The dad vibes players will be there in 6...

Tell me you haven't played a single MMO in the past 10 years without telling me you haven't played a single MMO in the past 10 years.

Not having in-game maps/minimaps is a fantastic example of tedium for the sake of annoyance rather than difficulty. Completely fucking retarded. If this is the "design decisions" these devs are making, 6 months may be a GENEROUS prediction.

For people without PS, LoK is half off right now on GoG. https://www.gog.com/en/game/blood_omen_legacy_of_kain

Which is what drove the player base to demand smaller raids. There is a reason WoW eventually went to the 25/10 raid dynamic.

No one is saying it's going the way of Ashes. But when you start slapping monthly fees onto an EQ Emu server, then player expectations in 2026 change. People will not be content with sitting around while a single guild of 100 people monopolize the limited content that a "small scoped"...

I was going to reply but @Kirun nailed it. Well done, sir.

World of Warcraft launched without a single raid encounter. How much more of a success do you need?

Examples of what? Failed MMOs?

You don't need 10 years of content ready to go day one to play an MMO for 10 years. But what you DO need is a strong foundational design that will allow people to see that they will be able to enjoy that content when it arrives. And not cockblocked out of things because 100 assholes decided to...

The siren song of every failed MMO....

Everything @moonarchia and @Kirun is saying needs to be drilled into the heads of the devs if this thing is going to last past the 6 month mark. The reason EQ did so well was: A) it was the first of it's kind (3D MMO). B) it had no real competition in the MMO space. Once a valid competitor...

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Stealing entire boats of stuff was a fantastic past time.

Can you imagine what Montana would have been like if you couldn't touch him in the pocket? Or lay a HAND on Jerry Rice?? How about not being able to TOUCH Elway until he broke out of the pocket? Man, what I wouldn't give to have seen that.

He was that BEFORE I posted those stats...

Immaterial to the point. Patriots being LOSERS are why we are here.

The greatest Super Bowl stat of all time: Here is the breakdown of Super Bowl losses by team (through 2025 season): 6 Losses: New England Patriots 5 Losses: Denver Broncos, Buffalo Bills 4 Losses: Minnesota Vikings, Los Angeles Rams, Philadelphia Eagles, San Francisco 49ers 3 Losses: Dallas...

Contradicting yourself in 2 sentences. Atta' boy, Comrade. (Still too dumb to get it)

YES, Comrade. PREACH! (You're still too dumb to figure it out)

Atta' boy, Comrade. Prove me right. Well done.

Full loot PVP with territory control MMOs are the Communism of MMOs. Those that support it are too dumb to understand why it doesn't work and unironically claim its never been REALLY tried.