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Yep, SWTOR is making money from FTP but that's the Star Wars nerds.

Yeah, but why stir up that hornet's nest and even mention it? Now I'll have to watch the whole video.

Look at the date: 2011. Edit: I'm sure all these posts are now headed to the Ut thread. -_-

Sure when they first switched. Not now.

This btw is a real concern. As more information is revealed it gets further away from the "More like EQ1" comment.

LOTRO - No update this year. Trion, AoC ,Etc. Yeah they're all doing really great. Closed studios, re structured into purely casual MMOs They all made a ton of money with the FTP switch but once they get over that initial rush the wad of money isn't the same. Give me a fucking break...

Lol. I never denied that I reported that some idiot pulled his pledges twice in fact I think I mentioned that I was going to report it to kickstarter in this thread somewhere. Had nothing to do with you - you will note that there is no mention of any names. But keep trolling and keep thinking...

Paying for Alpha is a result of FTP being a bullshit monetization scheme for MMOs. It works for games like LoL because they can always introduce new OP classes and cosmetic shit and you're drawing on a huge base (55 million??). Yeah Blizzard and EA made money from the FTP aspects of WoW and...

Hahahah. I could see Brad making Rangers a tank |-)

And lets face it - EQ style is easier to code and playtest. I'd like to see this game get made and simpler means more likely to get made. I guess I can deal with the MTG card abilities but am already cool on the chains for all the reasons presented by you guys here.

Agree completely on this (example of how to balance tanks Warrior best at Raid, Paladin best Tank in Group, SK best Solo Tank) but EQ healers needed help.

Assassin and Blademaster

Yeah, this is better. +1

This again? Smed was convinced that everything would be more profitable under a FTP model that's why he moved everything to FTP. So yes Smed would move to a FTP model even though VG was profitable under a Sub with no Dev model; and really enough of this topic before Tuco starts moving things...

Generally I'd agree but VG's healing classes w/ the DT mechanic was an improvement on the EQ Cleric.

Now you're cooking with gas.

I will say I prefer flat classes (no talent trees/specs) and set abilities myself. I'll also add that I think they are easier to execute and "balance" (wtf that means) as Mulligan has pointed out. But whatever - I'll roll with the combat doc if a game shows up eventually.

Why was Snare cast second? Was the mob beating on the enchanter? And where's the tank? And why isn't the Cleric healing?

But this does to me:

Had a LOTRO flashback reading that part for some reason.

That's what it sounds like. Colors of Magic associated with abilities, and you have to have that color available to use:

Brad said 5 or 6.

So it's MTG meets EQ. Okay.

Since we've gotten sidetracked back to your original post that's not what Smed said. AFAICT, Smed said VG was never profitable when it was his FTP that wasn't profitable (I think it might have been a "net loss" quote - same point applies). Whatever, I won't choad up this thread with this...

Remember that for 2009-2011 or so it had a small pop but had zero dev support and was only on one server. That is _not_ expensive. Sorry Gecko old chum but you are not doing the math. Running one server with zero dev support with about 1k subs will generate a minor profit and yes I realize...

You mean SSDs everywhere. Processors weren't the problem.

Yeah because Sony needed additional tax writeoffs given that the company lost money 2008 through 2011? But somehow when they're profitable in 2012 and maybe in 2013 they sunset the game that's supposed to be a tax writeoff? Couldn't be that Smed's FTP strategy was an abject failure.

I'm pretty sure I commented on the fact FTP was one of the things that killed the game - they were making more money sub based. And I lot more money in 2009 when there was an actual population. Having actually played VG from Beta 4 or so in 2006 through 2008 (and on/off from 2009 to 2012)...

Oh no question, the engine was crap. But combat mechanics in a static group dungeon exploring was awesome, despite the crap engine. Certainly helped when there were less people around - every time a person showed up even a "mile" away (or closer but behind a wall) so you couldn't actually see...

Check your proof buddy. Smed would have closed it down in 2008 if it was unprofitable.

Actually it was Khazad back on FoH and one a former Sigil dev (can't remember who sorry) that laid out exactly what was wrong with VG's engine - I'm just cut and pasting from memory. It's all about the I/O. Anyway, that's why, even if Smed were willing to sell the game, no one would buy it...

That's not him. Denaut works at Funcom or something like that.

Lol. You're such a drama queen.

Yeah, don't buy into Smed's bullshit - expect better from RR posters. Just think about what you wrote for a second and feed it into your internal bullshit detector. What company would run a game for seven years at a loss? None. It was shutdown because COW broke shit that couldn't get fixed...

EQ people will be pissed if raids are < 40. Brad & co. should plan for that as a minimum - I'm not a real raider, but I play one on TV. Edit: @Merlin still funny

Me neither, I always preferred the small group experience. But different strokes - my ideal MMORPG would be majority group content at endgame. One reason I liked Vanilla WoW - a lot of good dungeons at endgame - well until I grew sick of instance running and constantantly losing out to the RNG...

Lol. What the fuck does that mean? That's because you came into this thread the same way Brad came into the kickstarter full of hot air and "lots o' idears" but little actual preparation. Yes we get it. You were on a badly managed EQ+ clone and it didn't work out, therefore no EQ+ clone can...

Denaut you ignorant slut, We were never talking about"people in general" we are talking about a niche MMORPG being developed for a niche audience. If you're going to go Ut on us, at least have the good taste and decency to stay on topic.

Just admit you don't know what you're talking about and call it a day. You are looking pretty stupid right now with the tps reference.

I lold. He refuses to stay on point as Dumar and you point out. This thread is not about a third person shooter MMO