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Yes, because we buy their drugs. Drug control is another fucking problem but deserves its own thread -- basically legalize almost everything. Anyway last time I checked Mexico had strict gun laws. Amazing that the Cartels managed to find guns anyway

Yeah, so strict that settlers have easy access to machine guns. Go visit the country sometime.

Nah. The more guns people have the politer we'll be as a society. The Swiss and Israelis seem to do just fine, and I think they both get to keep machine guns. Gun Control is just part of the bullshit paternalism of the elite left. It's okay for us to have guns but regular American's...

You've got to take a test in Cali. It's 25.00 is remarkably easy and doesn't do anything. Just like the driver's license test - any idiot can pass it. Unfortunately, there is no test for common sense. All that said, there is no Constitutional Right to own an automobile, there is one to...

Hardly given that deaths due to street corner violence outweighs the random mass killings a zillion to one yet Obama treats them all as equally terrible. And regard the motor vehicle death rate - yes, that's the real fucking travesty in this country. More killed then all wars combined...

I voted for Heavy Moderation as that means less posting and less interesting posts so the GUF will eventually die the death it deserves.

You're just afraid that you'd be committed.

We need to fix the mental health system. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...pinion_LEADTop

1/2 of the 12 worst mass shootings like this have occured since 2007. There was another kid arrested in Oklahoma same day as CT. The media is turning a generation of 4chan retards into potential murders.

What you and your ilk don't understand is that a poorly trained, low paid security guard is infinitely better than nothing. This is not fucking Die Hard, the evil fucks that attacked Columbine and Sandy Hooks are cowards that's why they hit soft targets and that's why they ALL fucking killed...

I don't know about the teachers, but for sure the principal. We allowed pilots to carry guns and added a lot of Air Marshals and how many terrorist attacks have we had since 9/11? None. Terrorists and madmen hit soft targets. Gun control just makes more soft targets. You and the rest of...

Sure he is. He's a card-carrying liberal - he just didn't think he could get it passed before and he needs a change in the USSC. Now he does. My guess is that he'll go for some sort of obscene tax first and hope Scalia drops dead.

I'll give you $10 for a magnetic monopole.

I read.

We have more crimes but per capita you guys are higher. Anyway, I missed the speech but I gather Obama wants to use the tragedy to overthrow our constitutional right to bear arms. I guess that means time to buy a gun as I presume the initial Obama solution will be to impose a $100 transfer...

And Gun Store sales go up. @Itzena Certainly a better story than the reality of UK Crime Stats. How are things in your neck of the woods, mate? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...of-Europe.html

@gogusrl funny http://www.space.com/18854-newfound-...yby-earth.html Close one recently

I'm pretty sure both Israel and Switzerland require every adult to receive some form of military training. Anyhoo - my favorite soundbite on gun control: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...more-frequent/ We've had guns in civilian hands for 236 or so years and . However Fun...

People are going to fuck this up; the solution is to arm the principals/armed security in schools. The principle of the elementary school ran to the gunshots and died, think of what could have happened if she'd actually had a weapon. Hell you can start with tasers, if a gun is too much for...

Yeah I'm still not sure wtf is going on but it's flashy. As with all non-high fantasy MMOs upgrades never feel quite as natural as they do in an EQ/VG/WoW world.

I'm not a Psychologist, but I'm reasonably sure having Asperger's does not lead one to shoot children. Otherwise Bill Gates and/or 1/3 of all Software Engineers would have individually or collectivelly killed off most of the children in California and Washington State. It's just more media...

I agree with this. War on Poverty lead to the Projects lead to lots of Black on Black violence (thanks LBJ) no clue how many LBJ killed through that war. War on Drugs has lead to 50,000 or more dead in Mexico and the United States - I'm probably off by a factor of 10 but whatever. Anyway...

The problem:

So how do you feel about the media coverage of the gun control debate post attack?

The question isn't will it stop the shootout but would it mitigate the number of deaths, if the answer to the latter is yes then we should do it.

@Araysar & Grumpus You miss the point. It's part of the plan that we all die. Preferably nicely in our sleep but often otherways as well. You want the facts of life? The facts of life are that freewilll means that people die in bad ways, and yes that's part of the plan. Because the...

Should be a stickey.

1. Ignorance is Bliss 2. Free will is a necessary condition for faith, otherwise we'd just be robots. And freewill to be freewill must allow for the choice to do evil which is usually defined as doing unto others what you would not want done to yourself. 3. Yes and Yes. @Anomander Rake Yes...

Nice, going for the direct attack. You both may piss on religon but that doesn't in any way diminish the power it has to help people in a time of need or pain. I pity both of you, it's going to be lonely when you're both facing death; as you will eventually.

I'm the big winner if I'm right, and I won't know if I'm wrong. Seems like a good bet to me.

When I write: "I'm right about Madison and the meaning and purpose of the Second Amendment" "I'm" = "I am" and refers to me. I know you're an idiot but "I" is the single simplest word in the English language.

After Oklahoma City (168/19 Children), Columbine, 9/11, Various Other Shootings & Etc. I'm jaded and I'll admit it - to be honest the most surprising thing for me today were the comparisons to 9/11. There is no comparison. None. Zip. ~3000 (including 6 children) dying by terrorism was worse...

You know what you made me look - the Second Amendment was proposed after the convention. I'm right about Madison and the meaning of the Amendment but the CoSA was a Convention Committee and, AFAIK, not involved with the Bill of Rights, so my bad there - that's what I get for trying to play TSW...

My fault for making an offhand comment when someone suggested that the Second Amendment existed solely for national defense. Guys like Araysar, Duppin, Erronious, Lost Ranger, & Etc. apparently live to try and spot a mistake in anything I post. I'm flattered of course, and maybe even a little...

I already mentioned that buddy: Federalist papers were written after the constitution and were posthoc justifications for the already existing language. Thumbs High! You would have done better by reminding me that Madison himself said that Morris had the biggest impact as part of the CoS&A...

Still trying to defend your college's grant of a history degree on you I see. You always get so pissed off when you're wrong and confused. What's that about?

Finally got on and played it a bit tonight and reminds me a lot of DCUO just without the super heros. Not necessarily a bad thing.

Works for me.

Eh, I'll admit the discussion has degenerated from concern over 20 dead children and 7 dead adults to the methods of the Committee of Style and Arrangement. But that's this fucked up forum.