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EQ and Vanguard recently gave up on selling classes (I imagine EQ2 did too). SoE said they learned their lesson and that selling classes / races didnt' work. Can't see them forgetting that lesson in EQN.

Someday somebody will make a EvE / Dark Souls / EQ hybrid. I don't think it will be SoE though.

Yeah, Keith's art is amazing. Makes all the cartoons look like forgettable drek. He left us way too soon.

I said I thought the artists were talented. You must have missed it, in spite of the fact that it was in almost every post of mine about the subject.

Well they can just limit the raid size in the ui. And limit loot rights to those in the main force that kills it.

Snow white isn't crappy art. Those were some of the most talented artists of the times. They worked on cartoons for cheap because of the depression. Scooby Doo sucked just as bad then as it does now. All you have proven is that you don't have an eye for artistic talent. Edit: This is...

WoW's graphics didn't age well and that is why they are updating them. It works both ways. Get a clue.

The cartoon graphics of games 14 years ago didn't age well either. Even WoW is updating their cartoon models with more polygons to make it more current and it isn't 14 years old. PS2's realism looks very good now and will look just as good in 14 years as a cartoon made now, assuming the same...

I just played HL2 and did the ahievements (stupid steam thing). I was amazed how good it still looked. And I would much rather play that than some idiot cartoon. But that is my personal preference, other people feel differently. You need to recognize that your judgement is subjective in this...

Your preference doesn't invalidate my statement. What you are saying is that all cartoons are better than all realistic art. Of course you are wrong. It is the quality of the art, not the style that matters. There are quality realistic graphics and there are quality cartoons, both are made by...

They just don't know what they are talking about. You are right, realistic graphics can age just as well if the artists who do the work are good. It is the artist's talent that decides longevity, not the style of the art. There is plenty of crappy cartoon art out there I don't like...

Remember the term "Denial of Service". That is their excuse for not having systems in place that make it hard for a player to log in and instantly do whatever they want.... or in other words "Don't piss off the casuals". Required grouping will not be a part of EQNext.

?... Horizontal progression doesn't make it instantly a social game. You are putting a lot of faith into their hype, when they haven't shown us anything but a couple of cartoons. I like the voxel tech and Landmark could be cool. They had something to show there. But EQNext isn't anything more...

Anyone can say that crap. Do you actually believe they will deliver it? Social interaction in EQ happened because you had to group up to do the content. Soloing wasn't a real option for most players. EQNext will be a solo friendly game and you know it.

I'm not against horizontal progression, I like the idea actually. But it doesn't mean much when all the content is easy. And EQNext does have levels of a sort. They call them Tiers though. You wont be able to do Tier 5 content when you first start out. You'll need good gear and abilities...

It will be a long time before SoE makes EQ3, if ever. And that will take new talent. The people at SoE now are pussies. They have to retire or get fired before anything like EQ3 is made. It's funny too. Geogeson made all that fuss about EvE and then turned around and ran away from it as fast...

You're a little late to the party. You're making assumptions about people here making assumptions. I would set you straight but I don't have time, have to run to work. Go back a hundred pages and start again, or if that is too much then ask people some relevant questions. Then jump in with your...

Read some of Tad's most recent posts.

Landmark is their sandbox imo. I suspect EQN will end up being more traditional. As Big Flex pointed out it's not much of a sandbox without villainous behavior allowed. And since Tad says there isn't much PvP I'm not sure how they can claim EQN is a sandbox. But it is still possible and it...

Lol, you are trying too hard. The only salty tears are coming from you.

Managing DPS issues is a trap that the devs continually fall into. If they create decent encounters that have enough unpredictable interruptions then DPS becomes less important than reacting to the interruption. Hopefully the storybook stuff does that and not in a predictable way. Scripted...

They could still have tanks and support without taunt mechanics. Especially with the voxel tech. Put the tank(s) up front, wedged between two solid objects of some sort. Rocks, trees, magic ice blocks, what have you. Put the support and ranged dps behind (not sure where the melee dps go in this...

"If you play DPS... Get out"

I can live with that. Sounds like a loose version of the trinity. Could be fun for groups. Not sure what that means for raids though. They didn't really talk about them but I loved EQ's huge army raids. Tired of the 10 / 20 man idiocy hyper tuned for boredom.

I like the earlier version too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEttbac3HVU "If you play DPS.... Get out". 90 percent of the room leaves..

Aye, I'm not against getting rid of the trinity. I think it could be a good thing, but forcing everyone to be DPS is moronic.

Kind of short sighted of them and goes against the "Play Your Way" claim. Some people actually love to play support classes and don't like to fight. Their sense of enjoyment comes from being the glue, not the hammer. It seems like mmo devs are getting more narrow minded these days. They should...

"Denial of Service" is just their term mmo dev castration. They are afraid of their own shadows.

It's a tricky balance. The potential for griefing is huge with this system. And griefers ruin their bottom line since they are primarily a PvE mmo company. Perhaps in their PvP zones / servers they can allow more freedom though. Of course if you eliminate everything in a PvE zone that has the...

Pretty much. I like what they had to say at the "reveal" but it sounded like a Kickstarter campaign more than anything. A lot of "We want to do blah blah" and not a lot of actual gameplay. My guess is that they still have a lot of work to do on the voxel tech and can't jump into anything like...

There has been many ideas posted throughout this thread about what people would like to see again. A random sampling of pages should bring you across them. Suffice it to say, nobody was asking for static camps.

Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. But even if they don't provide that sense of danger, I'm sure I will enjoy EQNext just because it seems like it will be different from the pack. So 2 or 3 months of fun anyways. But if they can bring back that sense of danger then I could see being there...

Again you make too many assumptions and false statements. First you assume that everyone wants a EQ reskin yet nobody is asking for an exact copy with new graphics. But you continue to make that false statement as the premise for your whole argument. Continue to do that and you will be...

Well, I'm not one of those asking for a total reskin of EQ with only updated graphics. I do think there have been many advances in mmos since EQ's release that are good things. And I am reminded of them everytime I go back to EQ for a short nostalgia trip. However, there are many things about...

Every mmo want's WoW's numbers but the vast majority settle for much less than EvE's and are still very profitable. Also EvE is a space game, do the same thing in a fantasy setting and do it well (very important.. see Dark Fall) then the possibility for even higher numbers exists.

Well then read Creslin's statement about no game as hardcore as EQ having an audience. Since your statement is that Dark Souls is even more hardcore then you just proved yourself and Creslin wrong. Thanks for playing. EvE's sub base grew for most of their lifetime. SoE would love to have those...

Dark Souls called and said you are a pussy casual who couldn't hack it. So did 2 million plus who bought the game.

And again we have to put EvE out there to disprove your statement.

The market for a EQ3 is much larger than those two games. Their graphics are old and dated, and many people have already played those games. Most mmo players want to play games with new graphics options. But I agree that they wont make EQ3, because, as you say, they don't want to cannibalize...

If I recall correctly the first beta is for Landmark. Seems they need to get feedback and ideas on world building with voxels from the community. It is new tech, having a bunch of people test it out and find the kinks for free makes sense. EQNext is the long term project that will benefit...