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Lots of games have this phenomenon. Dad-type players who base their builds/specs on lore considerations, and are more in the game for the immersion/escapism, as opposed to the competitive aspect, so they really don't care to 'git gud.' Nothing wrong with this, but it tends to cause tons of...

This just isn't accurate. PvP was never a priority, but for quite a while there was the occasional PvP update/overhaul. Until 2006, at minimum. If I wasn't so lazy, I would look up the patch notes to nail down the year. And the entire player base definitely had not moved on by GoD. Zek had...

Early versions of SEQ obviously weren't so user-friendly. The first time I realized the PvP side of the game was totally screwed due to widespread adoption of hacks was on Discord server. Basically everyone who won that server was in a very cheesy guild that openly hacked (SEQ), and SOE couldn't...

What's the point in pissing on the only PvP player in this thread who has consistently defended your position about not opening a new PvP server in the future? And if you'd read even the entirety of the individual post you quoted, you would see that I mentioned that this has already been--for...

A teams model would go a loooong way toward making this kind of dynamic occur. Unfortunately, the teams models that have been used in EQ before all inevitably lead to cross-teaming because the class mix and geographical zone distribution is tilted in a way that is very unfavorable toward the...

100 percent agree. In <Hidden Power> and later in <Facultas Utrimque> as well as with <the Begotten> and the tiny handful of other guilds we cooperated with (<Sinister> <The Regulators> <Covetous Crew> to name a few) during the first couple years of Rallos Zek, we could not be bothered to waste...

My recollection is that Rallos Zek could be pretty PvP-free all the way until the merge. After <Ascending Dawn> and their allies won the Rebirth War, my guild and the handful of other remaining PK guilds that could field well-geared, maximum-level forces pretty much stopped participating in the...

I never understood why they didn't remove the cross-teaming restrictions for red toons on blue servers years ago. If red players want to drag around invulnerable healers with them, who cares? Let them pee in their own pool; it still doesn't affect the blue players, and it makes it possible for...

I was on the team that won the contest in the video you linked. I can certainly appreciate, to a certain extent, the e-sports comparison, since Tryndamere (who founded League of Legends) had his formative PvP experience on the Discord server. The principles of bringing your own elaborately...

I'll bite. As someone who was in beta, then moved to Rallos Zek, my impression was that the inclusion of PvP was a fairly direct result of EQ's sense of itself as the direct commercial successor to UO. At that point in the development of graphical MMOs, it was simply a given that players would...

The argument about PvP in this thread is interesting. I certainly agree with all my fellow lifelong EQ PvP players that it's not fair to completely abandon a server's needs and then fault people for asking for Dev / GM attention because "Nobody plays there." It's plainly a chicken and egg issue...