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Can I interest you in three for $80 or four for $98.98? Seems baseline absurd this is two separate games. That odds of that being sustainable are tiny.

1) has the development of the game turns into a real cult at this point? 2) Someone should be creating a documentary on this entire thing.

I did not say to fund his start up. I meant for him to use the money to support himself while he gets the business going and making sure the actual funds raised for starting the business go to making the business not sustaining his lifestyle.

I have missed out on a lot of the details due to lack of caring, but one of my first start ups, I was the lowest paid person in the company. I think I was making $1000 a month gross salary. The money was obviously better spent on other employees and other things. If he really did keep the...

Ac2 had all kinds of issues but it is still easily in my top 5 mmogs of all time. I was in a guild with a couple wow developers who I used to exploit kill dragons with and they would talk about the game they were working on. My biggest issue with turbine is the way they handled exploiting...

Nothing more silly in the mmog criticism sphere than essays on how artwork for a game is wrong. While I am a bit biased because the quality of the artwork is not that big of a deal as it relates to the quality of a game. There are actual fundamental reasons why game screenshots are a pretty...

The reality is maybe there is a market that could support a one million dollar game. Things get trickier though when you talk about how it will work. In three to four more years is a fifteen dollar monthly charge for a game (instead of forum access) make sense? This debate keeps going back...

You are confusing what a big ks campaign is to what would actually signify a high level of interest for the development of an mmog.

30 plus member development teams and budgets over eight million. I don't feel like they have a handle on the scope of what such a game really would need to be.

I was trying to reply in the other thread and thought I lost privileges for being awesome. I guess it makes sense since this is a new chapter and what happened during the ks is wholly irrelevant to the project moving forward. It is not like there was a lot of real game development discussion...

I assume they mean they are in talks with Josh Hamilton and Albert Puljos

I knew they were going to use land cruisers and pogo sticks

Curiosity more than interest, even. I think if they had a concise mission statement that outlined the scope of the game in harsh specifics people could have used that to share the word for the game. Then you might have been able to rally the 5k-10k people who realistically would pay to play...

Yeah I don't get it. I can't even get the tier / price I pledged on ks. Which is all I would even consider at this point on their website and pulling the trigger on that would require time, convincing and soul searching. I think in could get it for like twice as much but I am not sure.

I think people way overestimate how many people were attracted to check out the ks and passed just based on the quality. I suspect most views were more nostalgic curiosity than anything else. Most people who likely checked it out were not going there with the intent to donate and were unlikely...

Again sometimes it just doesn't happen in time. It is likely any deadlines had already been stretched to be drop dead. There is no magic way to make money appear nor is there a way to sometimes get one more extension after the previous nine. I have been on both sides of this before with...

Not always that easy. People can have assets tied up and need time. Not everyone is sitting on a liquid pile of cash.

I disagree with you on a lot of stuff, but not this. Open world mmog pvp sucks balls. It is entirely based on who can exploit the most. Be it game mechanics, numbers or any other aspect of play. I can't take people serious in regards to pvp when they want the shit that was original eq pvp...

How dare you! If the would have led the ks with halfling bards this thing would be funded. I do admit , as a halfling, that I was surprised to see halting introduced. I assumed this meant it was no longer a stretch goal. As one who has repeatedly said they need to limit the scope as much...

Wat? Also you should not make fun of your own posts with gifs and jpegs. Pretty sure you don't understand physics in an mmo world. Super hero warriors don't do 20 lb dumb bell presses and call it a day. Dual wielding anything is very difficult in the real world. That was not the...

Do lore nerds even have money?

It would likely cost them 100s of thousands of dollars and two years of time to set up as an investment vehicle to be funded like you suggest. People, including myself, want this to be the next iteration of ks, but it is a long ways off. All of the laws enacted over the years essentially...

Nah, people should feel differently about it because it greatly impacts how your money might be spent. With 800k at once and a plan you will see more money properly allocated. With money trickling in on a daily basis it becomes really easy to spend too much of the money on some things and...

So you don't see how a shield could be used as a weapon? I get the concept is a bit new but I don't really understand how people can't at least envision how someone with two shields might use them in combat. Just one of the weirder disconnects I have seen. How about the guy running to the...

As long as the remove the class before adding pvp I am cool with it. Was one of the most broken pvp classes ever. I played a we which was overpowered in its own right but if the other side was semi competent and had three coherent bm's was pretty much impossible to beat them. I spent...

Yeah it is because moving right now would cost them money, not save them money, you dumb fuck.

The problem is they would need 1847 specialty rule servers for those 2600 players.

I assume they will go with their own site funding. The upside to that is as soon as the money is pledged it can be put to use and keep the project going. Without a short term infusion of cash I don't see how they progress any further. Personally I would love for them to do a proof of...

All I do is pvp and I think trying to get any sort of pvp for launch is a horrible idea. As is crafting. It essentially needs to be an adventuring and monster slaying game at release. Otherwise all you will learn is what a shitty 100 million dollar mmog is made for only 5 million. Nobody...

No caves mean no vanguard dungeons

Wat? Sony has lost close to 8 billion real dollars in the past ten years in TVs. Nobody is calling missed estimated losses, at least not anyone with a rudimentary understanding of finance.

Yeah and the think with games is almost all the cost is for payroll. So for a very tight and lean project as soon as you hire one person too many you are screwed.

Well if cost 3 million dollars in 1999 but it was made with no real tools and a team that had no idea as to what they were doing. Tool advancement alone would allow for a massive increase in efficiency over 1999. So in 2014 dollars we are looking at 4.2 million dollars. Given the increased...

Booze is illeterate so typing all that out was a huge waste of time.

Joan Riversesque

"All these applicants have no work history from 2005-2007".

You can continue with your Happy Meal Business School Background retardation if you like but again it does not seem appropriate for this thread and you are certainly not someone who should be talking about anything as it relates to the operation of a business.

You mistakenly think four years to alpha for that kind of project was an unusually long time.

Given the specifics in this case it is beyond a shitty idea. Anyone even entertaining it as a slightly plausible idea needs a labotomoy. I agree this really has no place here as it is literally the dumbest discussion in a thread full of dumb discussions.

People way blowing this up. It is simply a sign they are able to get up to speed and work on stuff , because if the engine, that previously would have taken months and months more work before they could even mess around. It sure as fuck does not mean they have a playable demo to show people...