ADD/ADHD

Zaara

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Probably going to get flayed alive for this, but here goes.

I come from a family of extraordinarily Type A, OCD types. It's worked well for them, at least fiscally- My aunts and uncles all have well-paying jobs, and some of them have already been able to retire early after busting their ass for 20-30 years. Even the ones who didn't go into 'moneyed' fields are driven. In their personal lives they are clean, neat, orderly, task-oriented. I, on the other hand, am the exact fucking opposite.

Ever since I was a kid I had a reputation for being unfocused and spacy. I'd forget homework assignments, daydream a lot. I was tired all the time because I didn't sleep well (and often had some terrible nightmares.) I put off attending to 'future' stuff until the last minute when it came to preparing for college- I ended up going to a pretty prestigious university, and I have talent in the field I went into, but college was insane. I barely passed the freshman crunch and, while I was featured as 'top kid' in my class by graduation, that was more by virtue of social networking than anything. I didn't apply myself at all, and because of that missed out on some career opportunities that were available to my peers at graduation.

I've been trying to find ways to cope with what I'm pretty certain is ADD for years now. Self-help books, meditation, the use of work timers...Nothing helps. Last year I finally bit the bullet and went to see a therapist. He talked about himself for thirty minutes, asked me questions for ten, then diagnosed me with bipolar disorder. I was proscribed Wellbutrin and a supposed 'mood stabilizer'. I went home and did my research, and found out that Pfizer had had to pay out millions of dollars in lawsuits filed by people who were proscribed the medication that was not approved for the off-label uses doctors were assigning it. I threw out both bottles and never went back to the guy.

The problem has accelerated. I can't sustain a thought for more than 5-10 seconds at a time. I misplace things, forget appointments, leave doors open (to the point where I was thrashing around in the bushes outside my house at 10:30 at night because I let one of the cats out.) I have work commissions and assignments piling up that are half-complete or not even started at all. When I sleep, it's horribly- I wake up 10-15 times a night, and have vivid nightmares almost every night. I can't even remain focused on supposed 'pleasant' activities like videogames and talking with friends- I'm constantly tabbing out to look at stupid random shit.

I've never been on medication, but I think I've reached the point where I don't much have a choice. I've scheduled the preliminary counseling I need to get a psychiatric referral, but... I wanted input from people who have been diagnosed with the disorder and/or have consistently taken ADD/ADHD medication. To be honest, I'm mostly worried (from the anecdotal shit I've seen around the internet) that stuff like Adderall and Ritalin would do more harm than good, but I'm at my wit's end. The one thing I want more than anything is to be able to sit down and put in 8 hours of work at my job, but I don't want to have to turn into a zombie to do that.

Help me out bros. Tell me stuff.
 

Falstaff

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My life was, and to a certain extent is, exactly like yours in the first three paragraphs. My symptoms are not nearly as extreme as yours and I never went to therapy. I've very recently considered talking to my doctor about it but I've been trying to stay away from meds as well.

This post is zero help to you other than to say I'm interested in hearing thoughts on this as well.
 

Eomer

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I've had similar problems with applying myself consistently to work and school. Grade school was fine, I got 90's in everything because that shit was easy and I could just fudge my way through the assignments, ace the tests in half the time it took anyone else, and so on. Going to engineering was of course a total slap in the face, and I ended up dropping out in my third term before I flunked out (my average the first year was decent given the lack of effort I was able to put in, I think 6.6 on a 9 point scale and I probably missed 20% of my classes). Since then working in the family business I've had much the same issues, saving shit for the last second, and so on.

So a couple years ago I talked to my GP, who referred me to a psychiatrist (I think? He could prescribe shit anyways, so I don't think he was a psychologist). He asked some decent enough questions about my overall life, relationships and so on and basically said "well it sounds like you're pretty high functioning if you do have ADHD, but if you think it will help you can try Adderall for awhile and see." So he gave me a scrip for a few weeks worth of 5mg Adderall XR to try it out. I found that it did to some extent, but it also made me pretty hyper physically, body temperature was elevated and so on. But after a the initial week the physical symptoms became pretty minor, more like I had a strong cup of coffee or something (I don't drink coffee). So I decided to continue on with it. And I did stick with it for a year and a half. I found that initially it did make a big difference in helping me concentrate on things. But then as my tolerance built up, I found myself slipping back in to old habits more and more. So I figured what the hell, I'd take one in the morning, then another at lunch. And that did get some of the benefits back. But that shit was making me super hyper again, at least for awhile. And then that started to wear off, both the physical effects and the beneficial concentration.

So in the end I stopped taking Adderall. Whether because they didn't work, I'm just fucking lazy and don't have ADHD, or because of the vicious cycle of dependency I could see starting I just didn't think it was a good idea to keep taking them.

So that's my personal experience with it. But it's going to be different for everyone, so it's probably worth trying for you as well, even if it's only for 2-4 weeks or something.
 

nate_sl

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Some background:
I was diagnosed with ADHD as a kid. Have taken adderall off and on my whole life. It is a bandaid, not a fix, and I abused it off and on the whole time I took it.

At some point, I decided that I needed to stop taking it entirely, and did. I also quit smoking pot at this time. This was two years ago. At the time I made this decision, I had completed college and was working a $70k a year job I took immediately after graduating school. So it wasn't like I was a failure or anything.

I replaced adderall and pot with exercise and healthy eating, and within 6 weeks all my ADHD "symptoms" went away. I was able to focus without medication, and was generally a much happier person. My symptoms are not as extreme as what you describe, but if you do not already eat healthy and exercise, and especially if you do other drugs, my advice to you is to work on fixing these issues first before you turn to medication.
 

Deathwing

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Everyone on this forum has some form of ADD. It's almost impossible to use a computer(and especially the internet) relatively well without realizing how good it is at distracting you from getting actual stuff done. I'm making this post instead of getting work done. Sometimes I actually wish they would install a filter at work, because I'm just not strong enough to stop myself.

It's almost fucking muscle memory at this point. 5-15 minutes into a work project, even work I'm enjoying, alt-tab ctrl-t click on distraction. It's especially frustrating when I click on a distraction that I just fucking visited during the last distraction. I KNOW there's not going to be anything there, but I fucking do it anyway.
 

Troll_sl

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I was diagnosed with ADD when I was young (I think 7 or 8). Went through the whole psych eval.

I took ritalin until high school (I should have kept taking it, but I really didn't like the way it made me feel).

It's taken me nearly 15 years, but I've learned to manage it. It's possible. It's hard. It's a real disorder that doesn't get "cured." You just have to keep working at it and work on your self-awareness.
 

Troll_sl

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As for particular strategies?

One of the things I've learned about ADD (or at least my experience with it) is that I either can't focus on something, or I focus too intently on something where I tune everything else out. The first step I took was to recognize when these were happening and trying to force the opposite. It never worked completely, especially with the "non focusing" end of the spectrum, but it did help ease the nearly-catatonic state I'd go into when focusing on something.

And honestly? Talk to your GP. I ended up getting off of ritalin, but I don't think I would have made it as far with the self-management if I'd never been on it in the first place. Medication may be able to help you recognize the difference between a more normal state and the ADD state.
 

Troll_sl

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I guess my biggest tip would be: get help.

It's been 20+ years since my original diagnosis. I'm sure the science has progressed considerably since then.
 

Zombie Thorne_sl

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I did a lot of blow in college and for way too long afterwards. I always felt "right" after a rail (no shit!), like it was something I was missing. After finally quitting I went through a lot of therapy and shrinks and was diagnosed with add and had been self medicating for nearly a decade. I've been on Adderall for 6 years now and it works wonders for me. My tolerance and dosage is stupid high, and was a concern for a while but I do a full physical twice a year and everything has been fine. Currently on 30mg IR twice a day.

It's not for everyone, and there are definite downsides but it works for me.
 

Zaara

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Thanks for the responses guys.

I know to an absolutely certainty that my lifestyle exacerbates the issue. Plainly speaking- I don't get out much. I work from home, which pretty much means I'm glued to my computer all day, for both work and recreation. I was a consistent gym-goer through my latter years of high school, and without a doubt being physically active helped- I ate better and slept better. College introduced me to sitting on my ass and smoking copious amounts of pot- which, in the beginning, was actually helpful when it came to helping me focus on my work. In the beginning. I'm not a heavy smoker even when I have a stack readily available (I'll go through maybe an 8th in three weeks), but I realized that it started to hurt more than help.

Gym membership and a better eating plan isn't exactly an option for us at the moment. My husband and I are sustained, almost solely, by his income. Sure as shit isn't for lack of trying on my end- I've taken on four 'big' paid projects over the last two years from 4 different companies. Not worth detailing but a lack of iron-clad contract with all of them has assured I haven't seen a dime from any of them- and we're talking about some pretty well-known names in the industry. We're talking about published/used work that is photoshopped to remove my credit and shipped as part of an IP or project. I'm pretty sure that too has a big effect on my productivity- s'hard to stay focused and driven when you've been repeated fucked over. Hardly an excuse for not earning my keep, but I know it's a big part of it. When it comes to the exercise there's honestly nothing keeping me from going outside and running my ass off, but our food options are truly limited by a budget. We eat what's cheap and filling.

As per the commentaries on the medication and people's experiences with it: Thanks for the information. I've come to the realization that it's going to be a lifelong struggle to cope, medication or otherwise. The problem is that my chosen career path is not particularly conducive to leading a healthy lifestyle and finding a good balance (The greats put in 14-hour days, 6 days a week.) ADD is incredibly common in my field (at least on the preliminary level), and its basically a deathknell for anyone who truly wants to -make- it.
 

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When I sleep, it's horribly- I wake up 10-15 times a night, and have vivid nightmares almost every night.
You brain could be seizing or suffocating at night. Get a sleep study from specialists. A sleep disorder could be causing all of this. Using ADD uppers may only wreck your head more.
 

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Zaara, were you ever diagnosed as having night terrors as a child? It's rare, but, it progresses later into adulthood.
 

Homsar

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I recently went and saw a therapist since I wasn't able to focus on work, family ect and sent me to a psychiatrist why diagnosed me with add/adhd and its made me do a 180. Finally focused for the first time, anxiety is gone I get regular sllep for the first time ever and I normally broke out in sweats durring sleep which also no longer happens. My heartrate, blood preasure and diastolic/systolic have all dropped and improved greatly. If you can atleast give it a shot
 

Zaara

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No. My parents were always leery about having their children seen to for...'head-related things.' I don't know that what I have could be diagnosed as night terrors- I don't wake up screaming or terrorized, really, and the 'nightmare' aspect is largely confined to the dream itself (no lingering fear/pain/anxiety once I wake up.) A lot of it is pretty much garden-variety nightmares with a heavy dose of personal phobias for good measure- I'm deathly afraid of plane travel, so plane crashes/explosions figure pretty heavily.

Honestly, I slept better when I was single and didn't have pets. I would still wake up frequently, but I'm sure snoring and constantly having a cat's ass in your face doesn't help.
 

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Yeah, waking up 10-15 times a night isn't even close to normal. Something is going on in your brain parts.

If it were me I'd try to get a visit with a neurologist or sleep specialist and get a recommend from them to a psychiatrist. No idea how practical that would be for you. Worst case, just blind it and go to a different psych than the one that gave you wellbutrin and a pat on the head.
 

Homsar

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I would wake up about every 30 minutes and my psychiatrist said my brain was overworking when I fell Asleep and thats why I was breaking out in sweats, hell It even stopped me from grinding my teeth. After he put me on methylphenidate/concerta both issues were gone instantly . I hate medication and refused to take aspirin ect but I really had no choice and had to do something
 

Homsar

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Meh I feel like I just need to deal with stuff and not rely on anything. After my back surgery I tossed all my oxy and it was one of the best decisions I made, I've never taken anything for headaches or got flu shots and I haven't had either for as long as I can remember. If I had an infection or something like that its a different story otherwise I just deal with it