Chanur
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The boy said Kirsh is just repeating things. He doesn't think Kirsh is truly smart. Guess he about to find out.
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Thats just it for me. He acts so unlike any other Weyland synth we have seen including Ash. The intelligence he has is so Tyrell that it has to be an intentional easter egg not even discounting the look.
It may just be that, an easter egg. Hawley clearly has a great amount of adoration for the universe, so why not throw in something fun for the fans.
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At this point I wouldn't even call it easter eggs, with the runtime spent on synths, cyborgs and hybrids, their various issues, the philosophical aspects around their existence, and the antics of mega corporations ruling the world, this show is basically 50% Blade Runner and 50% Alien, with the eye midge trying to steal the whole show.
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You all are mad for them making the xenomorph move and dance like a retard. But you forget it was formed from retards.
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I know some of you guys have been saying that in the alien movies people were retarded, but I don't necessarily think that's the case for at least the first three films.
First movie you got them dealing with something they have no knowledge about whatsoever. They're discovering what the hell this damn thing is, and they come up with a game plan and try to track down the chestburster, they even make a tracking unit and a cattle prod cuz they think it's going to be small. But then they start getting picked off. They tried to trap it in the air ducts because they realized that's how it was moving and Dallas goes into flamethrower it.
Right after that they decided they're going to get on to the shuttle and blow up the ship. That's not retarded whatsoever. That's why the movie is so good because they're dealing with the unknown and they make a rational decisions but it doesn't work out because they're fighting the perfect organism or whatever the hell.
Aliens is pretty similar other than the only really retarded move is when Gorman doesn't pull his team out after Ripley tells him to and they decide to take away everybody's ammunition, but that might be arguable because of the thermonuclear reaction shit. I mean they do sit and plan for potential entry points into the main base and set up the smart guns and everything. They come up with a plan to get the dropship down, there's nothing retarded about that. It's a tight movie that makes certain it doesn't necessarily just put retarded people into a scenario, because again the colonial Marines were dealing with something they didn't understand, and there wasn't a hive before.
Even in the third movie, Ripley explains to them what's going on, they don't believe her until the warden gets killed, and then they come up with a plan with what they got. Yeah you get some random kills here and there because nobody's got any weapons, but nobody was acting retarded.
However you get to the fourth film and everything after that, and I totally agree, it's retard Central and not the good kind.
The TV show is filled with retarded moments, and it's all just to advance the plot versus having challenges or problems to solve for the main characters like in the other films that competently does the same thing, but you're not left there questioning why in the world this particular character would do something so asinine.
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First movie you got them dealing with something they have no knowledge about whatsoever. They're discovering what the hell this damn thing is, and they come up with a game plan and try to track down the chestburster, they even make a tracking unit and a cattle prod cuz they think it's going to be small. But then they start getting picked off. They tried to trap it in the air ducts because they realized that's how it was moving and Dallas goes into flamethrower it.
Right after that they decided they're going to get on to the shuttle and blow up the ship. That's not retarded whatsoever. That's why the movie is so good because they're dealing with the unknown and they make a rational decisions but it doesn't work out because they're fighting the perfect organism or whatever the hell.
Aliens is pretty similar other than the only really retarded move is when Gorman doesn't pull his team out after Ripley tells him to and they decide to take away everybody's ammunition, but that might be arguable because of the thermonuclear reaction shit. I mean they do sit and plan for potential entry points into the main base and set up the smart guns and everything. They come up with a plan to get the dropship down, there's nothing retarded about that. It's a tight movie that makes certain it doesn't necessarily just put retarded people into a scenario, because again the colonial Marines were dealing with something they didn't understand, and there wasn't a hive before.
Even in the third movie, Ripley explains to them what's going on, they don't believe her until the warden gets killed, and then they come up with a plan with what they got. Yeah you get some random kills here and there because nobody's got any weapons, but nobody was acting retarded.
However you get to the fourth film and everything after that, and I totally agree, it's retard Central and not the good kind.
The TV show is filled with retarded moments, and it's all just to advance the plot versus having challenges or problems to solve for the main characters like in the other films that competently does the same thing, but you're not left there questioning why in the world this particular character would do something so asinine.
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The first movie was slow and plodding and did everything to make the alien Invincible.
The second movie was great and what actually put the alien universe on the map but all the scenes with Newt and her ridiculous plot armor were stupid.
The second movie was great and what actually put the alien universe on the map but all the scenes with Newt and her ridiculous plot armor were stupid.
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Dude, the first movie is amazing. It's supposed to be slow. I saw it the first time in third grade staying over at a friend's house and his dad took us to Blockbuster and we could pick whatever movie, we grabbed it and rented Jackal for the Nintendo. We were scared shitless, but then being little kids we made up stupid games of somebody being the alien and and would make air ducts out of cardboard boxes can I get basically tagged.
Maybe you saw it later in life and you just don't have the attention span, but even as an adult, it's easily one of the greatest science fiction or horror movies ever made. It's when old man Ripley was at the top of his game.
To me it's like seeing The Thing for the first time. Nobody in that movie does anything dumb and they're just trying to figure out what the hell this completely alien deal is, and they come up with decent plans, and nobody acts retarded in that movie. Because it's such a crazy situation, they still have problems to deal with, and that advances the plot logically.
That's why both of those movies are so damn good.
I'm guessing you're pretty young and didn't see it until you were older or something. Maybe that's why you're jizzing so much over the TV show.
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I think you are the one misremembering things. When Alien came out it was in the middle of the Star Wars craze. Buck Rogers and Battlestar Galactica were on TV. There were tons of cheesy space movies released trying to be the next star wars. Battle beyond the stars, which Cameron was a big part of before moving on to Terminator, then Aliens. Flash Gordon, Ice Pirates had a big Alien spoof. By '86 when Cameron took over there were tons of low budget sci-fi entries out there. Aliens was a Cameron classic but nothing after that in the series is even worth watching.
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The crew of the Maginot also seemed to have no knowledge whatsoever.
They likely didn't know about facehuggers hatching out of the eggs because even though it is mentioned in the first episode that they lost a bunch of crew members trying to catch those creatures, it makes sense that if they had had someone get a facehugger to the face they would have brought them back onboard in quarantine and shit would have hit the fan even sooner. So the first 2 people to get facehugged are the captain and the science officer (which drastically reduces the good decision-making candidates right there) when they tried to investigate the eggs (episode 5 intro).
They do the smart thing trying to remove one of them (captain dies), then they do the next best thing and try to put the facehugged science officer in cryostasis (doesn't work), and then they get decimated by the xenomorph one by one (and the other creatures aren't helping).
So really it's almost the same situation as the Nostromo, the only difference is the only survivor didn't try to escape in a shuttle and blow up the ship because the mission was to bring the ship home and he had a way to not die in the crash.
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That was probably the best episode of the show, but it was just trying to be Alien until you got the last ten or fifteen minutes, then it just gets stupid. The black scientist lady wasn't exactly not doing dumb shit either.
I'm honestly more interested and what all of the other alien creatures do versus the xenomorph. At least that's something original and a new direction, but every time the alien shows up, it's just bad, and it doesn't even look right, or move right.
Don't get me started on the tractor trailer again...
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Black scientist lady in episode 5 made dumb mistakes, and should not have even been working alone in the lab, but I chalk that up to field promotion and many dead crew members and some of them still in stasis. It's possible this chick was never meant to examine the specimens herself until the science officers and/or other experts above her paygrade died in the capture of the specimens or got facehugged. Again, it's meant to advance the plot but I'm just saying they laid the groundwork for it to at least be plausible.
I've seen recent theories floating around that the creatures are all from the same ecosystem / planet, which would be interesting. It could explain why the xenomorph freaked out so much when the eye midge tried to hop onto its head even though it has no apparent eyes, and why all these specimens are so dangerous if they all evolved on a death-world.
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Honestly if the show had just been about the spaceship and the crew collecting the specimens for the first season, I think it would have been great. Then at least you could have maybe set up something interesting for Earth.
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I don't mind the show as it is so far because I enjoy the half Blade Runner half Alien setting, but I see your point. I've seen rumors that a "season 2" could be about Hadley's Hope to tell us what went on between Newt's father getting facehugged and the Colonial Marines getting there with Ripley, I think that'd be pretty cool too.
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That would be a pretty serious time jump. I don't doubt that they'll probably end up making another season. Maybe we'll get an idea of what direction it will go after this one. I honestly like the corporate espionage stuff probably the most out of the whole deal, although the imperial guard guys for Yutani was pretty retarded.
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Dude I also saw it in 3rd grade. I watched it with my dad and he told me not to tell my mom. I was just afraid for the cat lol. But Jonesey survived thank God.
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I still remember the kid that I was friends with in school up in South Carolina, and it was him, has little brother, and myself. Their family had a basement that was set up as basically a den. The movie scared the hell out of us but we loved it. The screw that thing is we watched it in the morning because we were staying up late playing Jackal. But when you're young you wake up to watch cartoons or horror movies that you rent from the video store.
It's probably why I've got a ton of the aliens and predator comics because it's my jam and it's one of those things that sort of the imprinted on me when I was a kid. I'm and I remember seeing Star wars in the theater, and my uncle taking me to see return of the Jedi, doesn't mean I don't like it but I don't think I ever had that visceral experience like I did with the first alien movie.
That's why I get so critical about it.
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Big difference between some random mining ship investigating a random sos and running into the alien and a vessel and it's crew specifically trained and equipped for catching and transporting extremely dangerous organisms.
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