Ancient Civilizations

TJT said:

The modern Egyptian populace are all descendants of the Muslim Conquest that happened in the 7th and 8th century. If you watch lots of AA videos his most interesting ones are when he digs up journals of British aristocrats and other Orientalists who went to Egypt in previous centuries.

The locals had no idea who built the Pyramids or any of the monuments then. Strabo visited the region in the 1st century BCE and even then nobody knew who made them. They were just ruins laying the sand. Memories of a bygone age.

The most compelling thing about all of this ancient architecture to me is the scale itself. If you look at anything humans build there is a constant theme. Most structures humans build are generally built with what? Objects that the average human can reasonably carry. See cobblestone, modern uniform bricks, and so on. Logically human beings will build with things they can move around. You see this in all of the megalithic sites. It's very glaring in Japan, Peru, and Egypt.

Yet, in the distant past, people instead took the time to move things far beyond reasonable human ability. Only to totally forget how to do this and go back to the logical way of building things with materials that can be reasonably carried or moved. They did this with copper and stone tools and not a single modern convenience.

Baffling.

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Well what about Stonehenge

Can't believe I'm linking a Mr Beast video, but it's actually good.

Seems clear to me, and he mentions this, that the Great Pyramids pre-date the Egyptian tomb-pyramids and were made much earlier by a much more advanced civilization. The 12,000 years ago Thoth the Atlantean group before the collapse of Laurentide obliterated everything? Who knows.

Got me thinking though, if WE 99% ceased to exist due to a massive tidal wave / polar shift / tectonic plate shift, how much of our current architecture and tech would be anything besides dust in 12,000 years?

The Hoover Dam, maybe Mt Rushmore would be vaguely recognizable. Washington Monument? Statue of Liberty? Eiffel Tower? Our work with metals sets us apart from past civs, most likely, but I think stone is still the thing with the most longevity on it. The Vietnam War Memorial in DC might stand partially as a "written word tablet" ala Uruk's tablets. We, unfortunately, don't write much in stone, and books only last a couple thousand years at best. I've got a whole assortment of books from the 1800's and most of them are incredibly worn and aged / ready to fall apart. Plus we're putting most of the knowledge base of our civilization into digital formats that would completely cease to exist in a cataclysm.

"What if the neolithic revolution wasn't the start of civilization, but a reboot?"

Good video

MusicForFish said:

Cool

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Hangar straps even in the picture.

Tholan said:

imagine only some shitholes in africa survive. It will be dust in 50 years.

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What will be dust, the pyramids? And survive what?

It's crossed my mind a lot that the only way our civilization gets remembered 12,000 years into the future is if someone bothers to preserve it. And quite frankly, if the northern hemisphere got wiped out (in a massive war or something) I have zero reason to think the southern hemisphere would prioritize preservation of technology or history. Because it doesn't now.

Chanur said:

Hangar straps even in the picture.

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I'm starting to get more interested in Amazonian ruins, and the idea that a civilization might have once spanned the Sahara AND Amazon regions. There are old maps that depict Africa and South America as being much closer together than they are now, and were done by Greek/Roman historians based on what they'd been told about the past. One map even had a clearly-marked civilization spanning the Amazon AND west Africa, with a sea between them. Now who knows how much of this is even remotely accurate, but it's an interesting thought, given we now know the Amazon and Sahara were both really nice livable regions 12,000 years ago.

Starting to think there's some credence to the "polar shift" apocalypse theory, or even that a massive tectonic plate shift might have taken place. If Africa and South America moved apart fairly suddenly, it'd cause global flooding that would certainly wipe out whatever civilization lived in that region. Also South America would have then collided with the Mu plate, causing THAT theoretical continent to get pushed under the ocean in one fell swoop.

Main rationale for the idea of one civilization spanning Amazon/Sahara is the fact that A) Ancient architecture is so similar across both regions, B) The pantheon of deities is so similar across both regions, C) Aztecs are literally named after Atlan, as their ancestors hailed from "Aztlan", D) Advanced language sprouted up in both regions parallel to each other at the supposed "dawn of civilization", as if it was already there and was merely separated by an ocean.

I think the Tower of Babel, great flood, Atlas "dropping the western edge of the world" i.e. Gibraltar, and so forth are all legends based on real events that took place either 12,000ish years ago or in the intervening few thousand years of recovery. 12,000 years, or even 8,000 years, is an unfathomably long time. The only reason we even know anything about 2-3000 years ago is that Greeks and Romans bothered to actually record anything.

You think africa and the americas was seperated by a lake or small sea only 12k years ago and literal earth shattering tectonic activity created the atlantic ocean over the course of only a few thousand years, and you also believe anything beyond bacteria could have survived this cataclysmic event?

Look at a map by latitude and decrease sea level by 400 feet and you'll see what earth looked like 12k years ago. Then add ice sheets covering most of the north and south and youll find the temperate band between the tropics and equator that people lived in. Still an atlantic ocean there but slightly smaller, and most of the prime real estate where people would live would now be under water.

As for the rest of your post? I mean other than the most likely human construction to survive til present day be stacking stone into piles, there is nothing connecting their architecture.