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Oblio
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I have a 16 x 20 shop that I am in the process of finishing out to make into a home gym. Here is what I plan on filling it with.
Rogue Monster Rack 100"
Quantum Free Trainer
Rogue Z Hyper
Titan Squat Max MD
Freak Athlete Hyper Pro
Nuobell or mx100 Dumbells
Apex Bench
Set of Kettle Bells
Rogue Ohio Barbel
Aviron Rower
Lots of plates & various bar attachments.
I am debatting between getting the Leg Ext/Curl that goes with the Hyper Pro or wait for the Dialed Motion one.
EDIT: Yes, I am aware of the redundancies with a Rogue Rack and the other equipment. This gym is for my whole family and my kids who are just getting into lifting only know/like/want a Rack. I am getting older and see the value in plate loaded machines that do require me to have a spotter. When the kids are gone I will sell the rogue rack, they appear to hold a fair amount of value on the resell market.
Rogue Monster Rack 100"
Quantum Free Trainer
Rogue Z Hyper
Titan Squat Max MD
Freak Athlete Hyper Pro
Nuobell or mx100 Dumbells
Apex Bench
Set of Kettle Bells
Rogue Ohio Barbel
Aviron Rower
Lots of plates & various bar attachments.
I am debatting between getting the Leg Ext/Curl that goes with the Hyper Pro or wait for the Dialed Motion one.
EDIT: Yes, I am aware of the redundancies with a Rogue Rack and the other equipment. This gym is for my whole family and my kids who are just getting into lifting only know/like/want a Rack. I am getting older and see the value in plate loaded machines that do require me to have a spotter. When the kids are gone I will sell the rogue rack, they appear to hold a fair amount of value on the resell market.
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Oblio
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Yeah,with a garage door and two man doors I basically lose a whole wall. It is tight, but all fits with adequate lanes and clearances. Also, this will likely get used solo the majority of the time. On the positive side I plan on setting the rower to look out the garage door at the forest.
I am super excited to walk 100 feet to my gym.
I did consider getting a full rhino trainer instead of the quantum and squat max, but like I said I am getting older and the idea of being able to lift solo heavy is really the long term goal.
I am super excited to walk 100 feet to my gym.
I did consider getting a full rhino trainer instead of the quantum and squat max, but like I said I am getting older and the idea of being able to lift solo heavy is really the long term goal.
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Has anyone tried Sermorelin in any form and could share experiences, reason for starting / stopping, etc.?
I am peptide curious and this one caught my attention via some of the longevity space. I was turned on to it while I was looking for ways of improving sleep quality as mine has been slowly getting worse as I get older (fragmented). Purported to be an HGH stimulant without compromising your body's normal production.
Been in the 200 - 300mcg / day on a 5 on / 2 off program. I have been trying it out for ~4 months and I am considering dropping due to no meaningful difference. The other option would be upping the dose to the higher end of the range (400 - 500mcg), but based on what I have been reading that would be a potential benefit on the body composition side and not really do much more for sleep and the clinic would have to approve it.
I had looked at actual HGH but I am not sure I am ready for dabbling in that space and, well, it's crazy expensive. I am older now and I have means. Some spend is fine but, at $150 / month, this is frivolous.
I have been on TRT (normal diagnosed, not sport / clinic) for ~6 years at this point, that is doing most of the heavy lifting keeping me in the normal range and is only $50 / 3 month through my doctor. That had quite clear benefits.
I am peptide curious and this one caught my attention via some of the longevity space. I was turned on to it while I was looking for ways of improving sleep quality as mine has been slowly getting worse as I get older (fragmented). Purported to be an HGH stimulant without compromising your body's normal production.
Been in the 200 - 300mcg / day on a 5 on / 2 off program. I have been trying it out for ~4 months and I am considering dropping due to no meaningful difference. The other option would be upping the dose to the higher end of the range (400 - 500mcg), but based on what I have been reading that would be a potential benefit on the body composition side and not really do much more for sleep and the clinic would have to approve it.
I had looked at actual HGH but I am not sure I am ready for dabbling in that space and, well, it's crazy expensive. I am older now and I have means. Some spend is fine but, at $150 / month, this is frivolous.
I have been on TRT (normal diagnosed, not sport / clinic) for ~6 years at this point, that is doing most of the heavy lifting keeping me in the normal range and is only $50 / 3 month through my doctor. That had quite clear benefits.
zombiewizardhawk
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Is it hard to get test if you don't actually come back with low numbers on your blood tests? I haven't ever gotten mine checked or anything but have been debating actually giving it a go (aiming for very high, not "we'll boost you to 250 ng/dL") but don't want to waste the time/money getting tests done if everywhere is just gonna tell me i'm not low enough so they can't help me. Have read mixed things on whether or not the random male health clinics will just do it for anyone or if they're strict with it.
Animosity
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Go to a sports/mens clinic. Getting an endo to prescribe it is a lot harder.
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zombiewizardhawk
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I guess that's what I was wondering, if it was actually easier at those places. I figured it is but random googling (so obviously not super trustworthy) made it seem like maybe those places were also sticklers about "but you don't need it so no can do". Would be an unhappy camped if I went to one of those places and forked out the couple hundred bucks for the labwork/consult they all want, just to get told they won't do it for me.
Animosity
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You shouldnt have an issue at all through a mens clinic or even online mens clinic. They just make you pay a good amount upfront and then they will "optimize" your results.
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If you're under 400 and complain about all the symptoms related to low T, a Urologist is usually willing to prescribe also.
Men's clinic you deal with the "how legit is this", but it may be your only option. Online services like Marek and others, if you pay enough, offer some extremely thorough follow ups and guidance.
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Animosity
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Why would you say a mens clinic is "how legit is this" but an online site is good. Mens clinic is literally a online clinic but in person.
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You should need the tests regardless of prescriber and they are generally transferrable within certain time periods if they cover the usual values.
Online / Clinic vs Urologist / Endocrinologist will depend on measurements, symptoms, and your actual goals (stated or unstated).
Going the traditional route, if you are <300 and have symptoms, they are generally amicable. They will only boost you into the normal range and, most, aren't going for the high end, especially not over 1000.
Clinics place more weight on the symptom side even if values are around the normal range. They will also be more likely to hit that 'sport' TRT range.
Myself, I went the traditional route (<200 / depression / libido) through a Urologist. Hanging out around 700-800, feeling much better, but it's just how most dudes feel I imagine.
Cost is only around $20 / month for the testosterone. Need labs and visit every 6 months as well. The online route is quite a bit more from what I recall. They also have more complex programs with aromatase inhibitors, etc if they aim to boost you up further.
Online / Clinic vs Urologist / Endocrinologist will depend on measurements, symptoms, and your actual goals (stated or unstated).
Going the traditional route, if you are <300 and have symptoms, they are generally amicable. They will only boost you into the normal range and, most, aren't going for the high end, especially not over 1000.
Clinics place more weight on the symptom side even if values are around the normal range. They will also be more likely to hit that 'sport' TRT range.
Myself, I went the traditional route (<200 / depression / libido) through a Urologist. Hanging out around 700-800, feeling much better, but it's just how most dudes feel I imagine.
Cost is only around $20 / month for the testosterone. Need labs and visit every 6 months as well. The online route is quite a bit more from what I recall. They also have more complex programs with aromatase inhibitors, etc if they aim to boost you up further.
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zombiewizardhawk
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I don't have any insurance or anything so i'm expecting to pay quite a bit more than 20/month, and definitely more interested in getting to 'sport' range than assuming I have low T although who knows. Is one clinic near me that also offers peptides and stuff, although not sure I can afford to do both at the moment since I upgraded my car payment at the start of the year when I was making more money than I am now.
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Search reddit for trt and you'll get plenty of recommendations/pitches for online men's clinics. They're not picky about who they prescribe to and will run around $100ish/mo, often billed by quarter (not counting labs, and you should find one that lets you bring your own labs). They all offer peptide and supplement upsells that you should completely ignore unless you specifically want something you can't get somewhere else. (not saying to ignore peptides/supplements, but trt clinic addons are generally overpriced and oversold)
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I don't push that through insurance as I have a HDHP. There is a Good Rx competitor I forget the name of one of the pharmacists turned me on to.
I don't wish the low T symptoms I had on anyone. While it may not be what you want ultimately, highly recommend if symptoms are bad.
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That wasn't meant to be a blanket statement about "men's clinics" just that I'd really read up on the local ones that pop up on any corner in a given area. Even Marek or similar services you want to do your research - that should be a given but I've been surprised before.
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Are you talking about HGH from a clinic? $150 is dirt cheap. A course of Omnitrope is $4,400 for a 3 months. And that is considered a "good" price.
With Sermorellin you either respond or you don't. You would notice side effects immediately within a 1-2 weeks if you were a responder. Energy changes, altered sleep architecture (vivid REM sleep extended, I.E. if you are not normally a big dreamer, but suddenly you dream vividly and longer and frequent), general improvement in mood, visceral fat loss by 3rd month, etc
To determine if the Sermorelin did anything you need to add IGF-1 to your bloodwork. It's a $200 dollar test, but its the only way to confirm you are a non-responder. Some response on 250-300mcg should be noticeable.
jayrebb
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Brick and mortar even if it's a TRT mill can take up to 1 full year to get you to sport ranges. Some mills will start you at sport range, but most will retest a few times and make you go through the hoops, need to keep advocating yourself for increases every 3-4 months after bloodwork, etc.
If sport ranges are your goal, you're looking to just get handed a 200mg/ML vial prescription right off the break. The best way to do that is telemedicine clinics that are known to be giving the maximum acceptable amount. Otherwise expect it to take over 1-2 years to talk up a brick and mortar into giving you 200mg a week script.
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zombiewizardhawk
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Yeah, everything i've seen about costs would lead me to absolutely not trust anyone offering me 'HGH' at $150/month. $1500 a month maybe.
Will look into the place near me a bit more on that front then. They also do sermorellin, and maybe some other stuff. Hard to tell just from the website and stuff where they fall on everything, since it's obviously pretty easy to delete any negativity and obviously only gonna post glowing reviews about yourself on your website on top of that, and none of them ever want to mention prices/dosages/anything, just schedule appointments to get you in there (probably to cover their own butts partially i'm sure).
Still kind of researching it all and also debating if I actually want to jump in, since a part of me is also seriously considering going for Air Force special warfare.