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moonarchia

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Saying that Shadowbane cratered is a little re-writting of history. The game had a 10+ year lifespan and was successful enough to see 2 expansions made for it. It was more successful than 99% of MMOs made.
99% are like Pantheon, AoC, and MnM, so that's a fairly low bar.
 

Kuro

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Saying that Shadowbane cratered is a little re-writting of history. The game had a long lifespan and was successful enough to see 2 expansions made for it. It was more successful than 99% of MMOs made.
Plus they got to genocide the bird people, something I valiantly attempted in the Karanas but failed
 

mkopec

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Yeah me and my brother played Shadowbane YEARS after the disaster of release and SB exe crashes. Shit was fun as hell. It was mostly the chinese vs everyone else.
 

Cybsled

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Saying that Shadowbane cratered is a little re-writting of history. The game had a long lifespan and was successful enough to see 2 expansions made for it. It was more successful than 99% of MMOs made.

It was functionally dead in the western market - the Chinese market from what I recall was the only thing really keeping the game alive. Most of the western servers were ghost towns months after release. I'm sure they probably consolidated/closed down shit to concentrate the remaining playerbase - I think me and my guild friends played a bit of City of Heroes after the Death server's population cratered and no one wanted to rebuild the cities after the whole server vs lords of death crap.
 
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It was functionally dead in the western market - the Chinese market from what I recall was the only thing really keeping the game alive. Most of the western servers were ghost towns months after release. I'm sure they probably consolidated/closed down shit to concentrate the remaining playerbase - I think me and my guild friends played a bit of City of Heroes after the Death server's population cratered and no one wanted to rebuild the cities after the whole server vs lords of death crap.

With multiple new rounds of servers that went up, the Western population kept a handful populated at all times. One of the original servers stayed up and populated the entire way through the game but there were always 4 or 5 you could play on.
 

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No. I also find it funny that you try to narrow down the definition of "environment" specifically to suit your argument, when I already said that territory control should have an ulterior motive, and in EVE it is control over resources. Which, ironically, are part of the environment.

Yeah, I hear you saying "but mining is part of the economy/tradeskills and therefore not environment." ... so you can now mine things ex vacuo? That would be a very sorry game, and that's not how it works in EVE.
Went from a simple disagreement over terms to you going full fucking retard real quick there. Hey dipshit, what part of "you don't have to grind mobs for experience points to level" is difficult for you to understand? Go join kaines retarded ass maybe you two can rub your 2 brain cells together to figure it out
 
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Ortega

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I had forgotten about Shadowbane. Sheesh after playing Meridian 59, Ultima Online, Everquest, and then World of Warcraft I just thought the future was sooo bright. How the fuck did we end up here?
 

Neranja

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Went from a simple disagreement over terms to you going full fucking retard real quick there. Hey dipshit, what part of "you don't have to grind mobs for experience points to level" is difficult for you to understand? Go join kaines retarded ass maybe you two can rub your 2 brain cells together to figure it out
Serious question: Do you have reading comprehension problems? Because in no way, shape or form was "grinding mobs for experience" points any part of my argument. It was territory control for resources.
 

Sylas

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Serious question: Do you have reading comprehension problems? Because in no way, shape or form was "grinding mobs for experience" points any part of my argument. It was territory control for resources.
Serious question for you, is your tism impacting your reading comprehension? Because YOU ARE responding to me, and I sure as fuck am talking about grinding mobs for experience ie pve.