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AladainAF
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CS:GO gambling is eventually gonna get destroyed. I'm no lawyer, but I'mextremelywell versed in gambling vs. skill games and the legality of such. There is no question this is straight up gambling, even if you're not using real money, simply because the laws never ever say "money", they simply say "a thing of value" andcourts all over have CONSTANTLY been very very liberal in the interpretation of "a thing of value". This is what Second Life went through during their gambling mess in 2007. This is also why to be a skill gaming operator there you have to go throughinsane amounts of red tape and lawyersto be able to operate and/or create games.
The guys that are betting on their own site are going to jail. Not only that, even if they haven't played on their own sites, they are IMO guilty of theinterstate wire act of 1961,theillegal gambling business act of 1970(assuming there are 5 or more people who are involved), thetravel act, and lastly theunlawful internet gambling enforcement act of 2006, not even beginning to mention all of the state laws, specifically in strict states such as louisiana, florida, montana, or tennessee.
edit: the above video was most likely removed simply because the guy has lawyered up I bet.
The guys that are betting on their own site are going to jail. Not only that, even if they haven't played on their own sites, they are IMO guilty of theinterstate wire act of 1961,theillegal gambling business act of 1970(assuming there are 5 or more people who are involved), thetravel act, and lastly theunlawful internet gambling enforcement act of 2006, not even beginning to mention all of the state laws, specifically in strict states such as louisiana, florida, montana, or tennessee.
edit: the above video was most likely removed simply because the guy has lawyered up I bet.
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Oh shit...didn't notice he pulled it. Was that Tmartin dude making an extremely weak apology about how he is a complete douchenozzle. No doubt someone saved it and have re-upped it.
I think with the pending lawsuits against Valve, it will force their hand in some manner to act. Maybe making skins non-tradeable? Or pulling them all together in a worst case scenario. It's crazy how much $$ is involved with these silly little cosmetic items. It kind of reminds me of the beginnings of online poker a bit. Like when Mike Matusow lost a million + because the site he was using was cheating. I can only imagine how many of the current skin sites have methods to fleece their users of skins because there is so little oversight and no penalties for doing so.
AladainAF
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There are two problems here that I see with those two guys: 1. The promote and do business with sites that they have an ownership stake in without telling anyone. 2. They are simply gambling by the laws on the books in pretty much every state.
Value does not appear to be promoting the gambling aspect per se, they simply make it possible by making the skins tradeable. However, Valve does seem to have it worth doing: while you can't simply "cash out" of steam, you can in fact earn steam money and use said money to buy games and other such things on steam itself. This fact alone makes the "gambling" of the skins actually gambling "things of value". If the currency was not convertable in any way, and could only be used within the game itself, it would most likely go along he lines ofthis case. Namely this part here, emphasis mine:
The real issue here is - will governmental authorities care? Probably not. There are more important things in the world atm. HOWEVER, they will certainly care about 13-17 year olds being able to do this. If these sites were smart, they would make this 18+ only.
Value does not appear to be promoting the gambling aspect per se, they simply make it possible by making the skins tradeable. However, Valve does seem to have it worth doing: while you can't simply "cash out" of steam, you can in fact earn steam money and use said money to buy games and other such things on steam itself. This fact alone makes the "gambling" of the skins actually gambling "things of value". If the currency was not convertable in any way, and could only be used within the game itself, it would most likely go along he lines ofthis case. Namely this part here, emphasis mine:
This was the key reason the court ruled in favor of the game, and called it a crucial factor of the ruling. However, this isn't the case of CS:GO gambling. While they cannot be redeemed for "real world" money, they can be redeemed for "real world" items of monetary value. Additionally, the players do get a transferable license as they can trade such skins with each other.Case_sl said:
The real issue here is - will governmental authorities care? Probably not. There are more important things in the world atm. HOWEVER, they will certainly care about 13-17 year olds being able to do this. If these sites were smart, they would make this 18+ only.
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To long time CS:GO players, do you find that advancing a rank represents a large different in skill level? I'm certainly not a great player and I just recently started playing somewhat regularly and I was put at Silver Elite initially. I was doing damn good at that level, getting 1st probably 70% of the time and 2nd 20% of the time. Then I went to SEM and I was kind of struggling. I'd say probably an average position of 3 or a little lower. I thought it would be more gradual, but is that just the way it is?
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In my experience a rank up or two does not represent significantly better players, though at times it can seem that way and I will give some reasons as to why.
Many players have critical flaws that prevent them from ranking up, but they are good enough to be kings of their current rank. When you are new to a skill bracket some of the guys that have been there a while may seem beastly, and in a way they are. Their flaws prevent them from gaining rank but they are sufficiently skilled to have a death grip on wherever they are. This seems to happen most often around GN1, MGE, and SMFC.
Some gold nova players may know a one way smoke at XXX or YYY and decimate anyone that approaches their way, but then they have no plan on how to rotate if they are avoided and so their KDR and MVPs even out. There are players at all ranks with superb aim, but their game sense sucks and they get flanked. It's also common for otherwise good players to tilt and then play like shit, so their rounds won cancel out and they get stuck in 'hell' be it Silver or MGE/DMG/LEM . The players that look at their weaknesses and deliberately learn and improve are the ones that rank up, all others at best stay where they are, or slowly fade out.
If there is an individual laying an assbeating down on the enemy team, or the enemy team as a whole keeps using a similar strategy to win rounds, adapt and counter those plays, learn from those plays, or expect to lose.
CS GO is competitive, adapt or be trapped.
Many players have critical flaws that prevent them from ranking up, but they are good enough to be kings of their current rank. When you are new to a skill bracket some of the guys that have been there a while may seem beastly, and in a way they are. Their flaws prevent them from gaining rank but they are sufficiently skilled to have a death grip on wherever they are. This seems to happen most often around GN1, MGE, and SMFC.
Some gold nova players may know a one way smoke at XXX or YYY and decimate anyone that approaches their way, but then they have no plan on how to rotate if they are avoided and so their KDR and MVPs even out. There are players at all ranks with superb aim, but their game sense sucks and they get flanked. It's also common for otherwise good players to tilt and then play like shit, so their rounds won cancel out and they get stuck in 'hell' be it Silver or MGE/DMG/LEM . The players that look at their weaknesses and deliberately learn and improve are the ones that rank up, all others at best stay where they are, or slowly fade out.
If there is an individual laying an assbeating down on the enemy team, or the enemy team as a whole keeps using a similar strategy to win rounds, adapt and counter those plays, learn from those plays, or expect to lose.
CS GO is competitive, adapt or be trapped.
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I still play occasionally with friends. The 30-60 minute games are kinda daunting so I usually just put more time into Overwatch because of how short the matches are. I can't bring myself to do any of the extra shit required to climb any sort of system.
Getting GE isn't harder, just longer. People who get into FPL just have way more time than me, having actually tried.. Some of them were pulling 20hr days just to stay on top. Haven't tried the new ESEA system, but doing the team league is troublesome because finding 4 other teammates to relate haha.
I find that csgo is pretty fucking solid though, as fun at 1.6 was, this rivals it pretty well.. Though
Lunis
did you look at the counter strike classic offense? Group of modders dedicated to converting 1.6 into csgo.. Looks pretty good and I know there are servers that have their spray patterns actually using a highly similar formula as 1.6
Getting GE isn't harder, just longer. People who get into FPL just have way more time than me, having actually tried.. Some of them were pulling 20hr days just to stay on top. Haven't tried the new ESEA system, but doing the team league is troublesome because finding 4 other teammates to relate haha.
I find that csgo is pretty fucking solid though, as fun at 1.6 was, this rivals it pretty well.. Though
Lunis
did you look at the counter strike classic offense? Group of modders dedicated to converting 1.6 into csgo.. Looks pretty good and I know there are servers that have their spray patterns actually using a highly similar formula as 1.6
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CS:GO - The Return of Dust II
New dust2 is coming out. I'm bumping this thread cause CS is main FPS that I'm currently playing. Anyone else on the east coast active and wants to play late night comp matches?
New dust2 is coming out. I'm bumping this thread cause CS is main FPS that I'm currently playing. Anyone else on the east coast active and wants to play late night comp matches?
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nazon
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Currently silver elite master. De-ranked from Gold Nova II. Sent you a steam invite.
