Dating

Sheriff Cad

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Eh, you don't have to be a Nirgon to think that (outside of the top few % of men) women do the choosing, so if they're making choices that seem unfortunate... But also, subject of the conversation almost always gets the brunt of the blame because there's not much of a conversation otherwise. When Rajaa complains about not finding women, do we go "yeah women suck, I can't imagine why they're not all over you!" No, we tell him to do things differently. When you tell us that your hot successful women friend can't find a man, are we supposed to say "oh yeah, men are retarded, they hate hot successful women!"? No, we tell her to do things differently. (I mean, men are retarded, but the other part doesn't track very well with what most of us understand about reality.) Maybe women do suck and men hate them, but we can't fix "all men/women". We might be able to point an individual at something they could make better decisions about though.
Thats not the Nirgon part. The Nirgon part is blaming the women either way, when it seems perfectly fine if men just want to be alone and don't care.

There's this assumption that women REALLY want a man at all times, and it's just their high standards/brainwashing that keeps them single. But the example I gave is we have a guy on the forum who just doesn't care about relationships and sees it as a nuisance, he's been single 20+ years. Is he stupid because he's brainwashed, has high standards, and is a princess? No but thats the assumption made if a woman is single.

Why can't she just not prioritize relationships and think it's not worth her time, right along with complaining about the men she meets and wishing she met better ones? It doesn't have to be only one or the other.
 

Rajaah

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The single woman friends in their 40's say they can't find men at all that want to be serious, they say the men just all lie saying they want a relationship and want to settle down to get them in bed because thats what they have to say, and then after they get 3-4 months into the relationship, the guys just sort of slowly vanish, they see them less and less until they're not seeing them at all.

These are not bad looking or incapable women either, they live near me (thats how we know them), have careers, houses, etc... I would think they're catches, not particularly crazy. One of them is like 5'10, 130 pounds and gorgeous, she says guys don't even approach her at all.

From our side, the chicks seem like they're picking and choosing, from the chicks side, they feel pumped and dumped by lies.

It's like reading democrat media and then reading newsmax or breitbart or something on the same issue - completely 180 degree different viewpoints.

Too bad I'm not around Dallas, would love to meet the one who says men don't approach her at all. It's hard for me to tell who is available or not in this age group and I assume most of the women I meet this age are taken/married. So I only ask out the 27-30 crowd and it's a narrow band that sure flakes a lot.

That's a common thing these days that women complain about, men not approaching. They're used to not having to do the approaching because historically they never did. Now suddenly half the men are complete pussies who think that doing any sort of normal courtship behavior is "creepy" and unwanted, so nobody is approaching anybody.

People would say it's fake or they'd performatively criticize them because I said they're good looking, there's no point. Knees too sharp syndrome on the internet is too real. Just picture whatever you want in your mind and go from there.

Yeah, I'd never post a picture of a woman I've dated (aside from the one picture of my redhead in the AI thread just because I base so many pictures off of her) simply because I don't need all of that performative bullshit.

Every woman I've dated was at least pretty, and often hot. Not a single one wasn't healthy and fit. Don't need internet super-studs calling them 4/10 or some shit.

If however, the guy is looking to settle down and maybe still have a family he can (if he has his shit together) go through a long careful process of finding a younger woman who is not completely fucked by the feminism mind virus. One who probably does not even have a double digit body count

Yeah good luck with all that. Maybe I'll have the energy for that process at some point. Around here almost every woman I meet is a former or current girlboss who is fucked by the mind virus.

Latinas tend to be great though. Actually the only women I meet that I actually vibe with and who don't immediately bring up fucking politics tend to be Latinas. They actually value other things over political religion, things like family and faith.

Statistically, dudes need too get out into real world spaces and do social activities where women physically are because social media behaviors are driving all the worst behaviors.

That's what one needs to do, yeah. Put yourself out there, put in time in social spheres, make friends, give yourself actual opportunities. My problem is a lack of opportunities and a lack of putting myself in a position to succeed. Combination of depression and just having too damn many other things going on really gets in the way.

Once out there, don't drag things out. Move to go on a date fairly quickly, follow up quickly. The right woman will make everything easy once you establish a connection. This stuff doesn't need to be, and shouldn't be, work at that point.
 

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Thats not the Nirgon part. The Nirgon part is blaming the women either way, when it seems perfectly fine if men just want to be alone and don't care.

There's this assumption that women REALLY want a man at all times, and it's just their high standards/brainwashing that keeps them single. But the example I gave is we have a guy on the forum who just doesn't care about relationships and sees it as a nuisance, he's been single 20+ years. Is he stupid because he's brainwashed, has high standards, and is a princess? No but thats the assumption made if a woman is single.

Why can't she just not prioritize relationships and think it's not worth her time, right along with complaining about the men she meets and wishing she met better ones? It doesn't have to be only one or the other.
We're only getting one side of the story of course, but that side makes her sound like an asshat. Maybe the guy is also an asshat, but we didn't get that story. 🤷‍♂️
We also don't get the story from all the guys that don't want to marry your friend, maybe they're all asshats too and she can't find any non-asshat options? Well, ok.
(Just to note, for the sake of equality, I'm definitely an asshat.)
 

Ishad

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This is exactly what I'm talking about though with the women that I know, they're mad that men have wasted sometimes years for no commitment.

When I said that, the consensus was that this was their fault and they should be picking better guys who will make a commitment. Not one person said yea maybe the guys are just assholes.

But this woman does the same thing, and now she's rug-pulling, wasting guys time, and being a princess. Sounds like Nirgon shit up in here, no matter what the facts are, it's the woman's fault?
I don’t think it’s her fault, she’s just frustrated because she wants to be somewhere she’s not. Everyone wants results fast in every aspect of life. Weight loss, physical improvements, better mental health, financial success, happy relationships? Everyone regardless of gender wants these things. The challenge is achieving any of these things is a consistent slog, fraught with setbacks.

We all consume social media that tells you it happens instantaneously and it fucks up expectations for everyone. Most of life is just showing up consistently and working at it. Still doesn’t guarantee shit.

At least she’s still trying. I think Shakeyjay is a colossal pussy for noping out on what can be an amazing part of life.
 
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