Daybreak Sues The Heroes Journey EQ EMU Server Devs

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Mrniceguy said:
I think when DBG finds that out they might just drop the case.
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That's not gonna happen.. at all.

THJ as a company has used DBG's IP/copy right to gain revenue(yes even though the game looks like absolute shit and the source code is a steaming pile of fucking garbage, DBG is the owner.)

It has nothing to do with what people think DBG should do with the IP, it is flat out about protecting the copy right they own. No precedent needs to be set, honestly you can look at any other IP/copy right law to understand it.

The Infringing company always lose.
 
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You seem to be the only one talking about the soul of EQ, everyone else is in some way talking about the lawsuit. Fucking EQ lifers stuck 25 years ago.
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Funny how caring is always framed as a weakness by people who gave up a long time ago. I’ll take being a "lifer" with passion over being just another jaded spectator clapping for the slow death of something that once mattered.
 
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Dude, you don't get to violate basic laws and legal protections because you have a feels based superiority or because the entity stolen from isn't doing a very good job.

I cannot just make a dragon age game and market it with dragon age assets no matter how much the owner of the ip has shit the bed. I cannot film and publish a live action little mermaid or snow white using disney art assets and the like no matter how much everyone is pissed at them.

The world does not work based on feelings. Any society where feelings trump law is a hellscape.
 
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yerm said:
Dude, you don't get to violate basic laws and legal protections because you have a feels based superiority or because the entity stolen from isn't doing a very good job.

I cannot just make a dragon age game and market it with dragon age assets no matter how much the owner of the ip has shit the bed. I cannot film and publish a live action little mermaid or snow white using disney art assets and the like no matter how much everyone is pissed at them.

The world does not work based on feelings. Any society where feelings trump law is a hellscape.
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He's having auditory hallucinations of people clapping. His brain has gone to a very special place where we can't follow.

Seriously, though, I have yet to see anyone in this thread saying the lawsuit makes them happy. Once you look at the applicable laws, historical precedence, and such, it's obvious that the outcome is going to be whatever DPG wants it to be (within limits). If they want THJ shut down, it will be shut down.

I spent last night soloing ele planes on my sk/mnk/war. I love the game, but I understand what the lawsuit means, so I have made peace with the fact that it probably won't be around much longer. That probably applies to EQ too, if those sub counts are legit.
 
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moonarchia said:
He's having auditory hallucinations of people clapping. His brain has gone to a very special place where we can't follow.

Seriously, though, I have yet to see anyone in this thread saying the lawsuit makes them happy. Once you look at the applicable laws, historical precedence, and such, it's obvious that the outcome is going to be whatever DPG wants it to be (within limits). If they want THJ shut down, it will be shut down.

I spent last night soloing ele planes on my sk/mnk/war. I love the game, but I understand what the lawsuit means, so I have made peace with the fact that it probably won't be around much longer. That probably applies to EQ too, if those sub counts are legit.
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Yeah, that's kind of where I am on it. Love the game but understand the legal argument. It fucking sucks because THJ has managed to bring the original joy and nostalgia feels back, however when I started playing back in March I was thinking "how the fuck have these dudes not been sued yet?".

If I thought this game was going to be around for a while I'd be investing a lot more time in it, making buff bots for the bazaar and shit. It's that enjoyable. But I know the lights could go off at any time.
 
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moonarchia said:
Congratulations, you just described the business model of every gacha game out there. You're not forced to donate for the nice QOL features or pretty glams, but you are highly incentivized to.
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You need to look up the definitions of words. Highly incentivized? Those words do not mean what you think they mean.

You are objectively wrong if you think there is an advantage to reclassing/respecing rather than rolling a new character. You literally are worse off in every way, crippling yourself. You are penalized and playing highly inefficiently.

The only reason you would ever do this is if you had some turbo-autistic attachment to a specific character name and could not play any other name/different spelling/alternate character name. And even then you could just delete and reroll and it would be better than waiting 3 fucking weeks before you can play your character.

You are not forced to donate shit and if you wasted donation bucks chasing fotm builds you are fucking retarded and penalized by locking yourself out of playing the game for 3 rl weeks while waiting on cooldowns, by which time a different fotm build would come out and you'd be stuck forever chasing the newest best thing ever.

Tradeskill bags were free and if you were a huge race that needed an illusion mask to shrink for any reason guises were 1pp on the bazaar and all/all.
 
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moonarchia said:
He's having auditory hallucinations of people clapping. His brain has gone to a very special place where we can't follow.

Seriously, though, I have yet to see anyone in this thread saying the lawsuit makes them happy. Once you look at the applicable laws, historical precedence, and such, it's obvious that the outcome is going to be whatever DPG wants it to be (within limits). If they want THJ shut down, it will be shut down.

I spent last night soloing ele planes on my sk/mnk/war. I love the game, but I understand what the lawsuit means, so I have made peace with the fact that it probably won't be around much longer. That probably applies to EQ too, if those sub counts are legit.
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I gave you a spanking last time I replied your Legal Zoom logic. Don't make me do it again.
 
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yerm said:
Dude, you don't get to violate basic laws and legal protections because you have a feels based superiority or because the entity stolen from isn't doing a very good job.

I cannot just make a dragon age game and market it with dragon age assets no matter how much the owner of the ip has shit the bed. I cannot film and publish a live action little mermaid or snow white using disney art assets and the like no matter how much everyone is pissed at them.

The world does not work based on feelings. Any society where feelings trump law is a hellscape.
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Nobody’s saying “feelings trump law.” That’s a strawman. But laws don’t exist in a vacuum. They’re supposed to protect and encourage creativity, not act as a shield for companies that abandon or ruin what people love.

When a game like EQ gets neglected or mismanaged, it doesn’t just hurt the shareholders. It hurts the whole community that poured years of time, memories, and friendships into it. That’s not the same as someone copying Disney cartoons to make a quick buck. It’s a community trying to keep something meaningful alive.

Think of it like a town coming together to save an old historic building after the owners let it fall apart. It’s about preservation and passion, not profit.

Of course the law matters. But if we only focus on the letter of the law and ignore why it exists in the first place, we end up defending slow cultural death just because “the rules say so.”

At the end of the day, it’s not about “feels” winning over law. It’s about not letting soulless corporate suits decide the fate of something that means the world to a lot of people. That’s what’s really at stake here.
 
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yerm said:
snow white using disney art assets
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I like that you added the "Disney art Assets" part. That's a nice touch, shows you guys have started to learn how copyright actually works. Guess you've learned Disney doesn't actually own the copyright to "Snow White" and Snow White is Public Domain. Guessing you think Disney will be going after South Park soon for Infringing on their Copyright by generating a profit using Disney's renditions of "Snow White"

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THJ as a company has used DBG's IP/copy right to gain revenue
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So in your expert legal opinion can we expect DBG to go after Alllakazam, Magelo and EQResource for generating revenue while using Daybreaks Copyrighted material.
 
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Mrniceguy said:
So in your expert legal opinion can we expect DBG to go after Alllakazam, Magelo and EQResource for generating revenue while using Daybreaks Copyrighted material.
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Mrniceguy said:
I like that you added the "Disney art Assets" part. That's a nice touch, shows you guys have started to learn how copyright actually works. Guess you've learned Disney doesn't actually own the copyright to "Snow White" and Snow White is Public Domain. Guessing you think Disney will be going after South Park soon for Infringing on their Copyright by generating a profit using Disney's renditions of "Snow White"



So in your expert legal opinion can we expect DBG to go after Alllakazam, Magelo and EQResource for generating revenue while using Daybreaks Copyrighted material.
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Thj uses everquest assets. I don't know what tree you're trying to bark up. Eq doesn't own vampires, but they do own the mistmoore castle and the sprites and shit running around it.

And this isn't even copying likeness or impersonation. This is literal eq shit having been lifted.

Thj could have just made their own game LIKE everquest but not actually everquest. Not its data, not its launcher. But that would be insurmountable for a pair to pull off.

Old Man Potter said:
Nobody’s saying “feelings trump law.” That’s a strawman. But laws don’t exist in a vacuum. They’re supposed to protect and encourage creativity, not act as a shield for companies that abandon or ruin what people love.

When a game like EQ gets neglected or mismanaged, it doesn’t just hurt the shareholders. It hurts the whole community that poured years of time, memories, and friendships into it. That’s not the same as someone copying Disney cartoons to make a quick buck. It’s a community trying to keep something meaningful alive.

Think of it like a town coming together to save an old historic building after the owners let it fall apart. It’s about preservation and passion, not profit.

Of course the law matters. But if we only focus on the letter of the law and ignore why it exists in the first place, we end up defending slow cultural death just because “the rules say so.”

At the end of the day, it’s not about “feels” winning over law. It’s about not letting soulless corporate suits decide the fate of something that means the world to a lot of people. That’s what’s really at stake here.
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The world does not work the way you want it to.
 
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yerm said:
Thj uses everquest assets. I don't know what tree you're trying to bark up. Eq doesn't own vampires, but they do own the mistmoore castle and the sprites and shit running around it.

And this isn't even copying likeness or impersonation. This is literal eq shit having been lifted.

Thj could have just made their own game LIKE everquest but not actually everquest. Not its data, not its launcher. But that would be insurmountable for a pair to pull off.
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But Allahkazam, Magelo, p99 ect all USE Mistmoore Castle. Most the them USE it for profit. Simply USING something you have legal copy of isn't within itself a Copyright Violation. That's not how Copyright works. When you buy a copy of a song, you're generally not given a license to play that song PUBLICALLY at your 4th of July block party but if the Copyright holder comes after you for doing so every court in America is going to view you as having an Implied License to do so.

THJ doesn't use Daybreaks Launcher this is just one of the many false claims Daybreak is making.
 
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If this case were to include witness testimony, I suspect it would go something like this-
Judge: Council for THJ, you may call your first witness
THJ: Your honor, we call Old Man Potter to the stand
(45 minutes of monologue later)
Judge:
 
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Mrniceguy said:
But Allahkazam, Magelo, p99 ect all USE Mistmoore Castle. Most the them USE it for profit. Simply USING something you have legal copy of isn't within itself a Copyright Violation. That's not how Copyright works. When you buy a copy of a song, you're generally not given a license to play that song PUBLICALLY at your 4th of July block party but if the Copyright holder comes after you for doing so every court in America is going to view you as having an Implied License to do so.

THJ doesn't use Daybreaks Launcher this is just one of the many false claims Daybreak is making.
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If you charge money for your july 4th event and advertise it and very clearly establish it is a commercial endeavor that you profit from? Good luck if the recording industry comes after you.

You seem to have no concept of what's being talked about. Sites like magelo do not use everquest assets. They have a few pics. They aren't running the game files or doing anything remotely close to it.

Thj uses the entire eq platform. I'll double down. Not only launch, but the whole thing start to finish is lifted from eq. Disputing they are using the base everquest platform, launcher or game or otherwise, is lunacy.
 
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This is the opposite of true. Laws are literally about protecting property.
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You just proved my point. Copyright was originally designed to protect and encourage creativity by giving creators a temporary monopoly, not to act as an eternal blunt weapon for corporations to squash passion projects and milk nostalgia forever. Protecting property is the mechanism, not the purpose.
 
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