Daybreak Sues The Heroes Journey EQ EMU Server Devs

Masakari said:

If there's a lesson learned from this, don't mess with DBG's underground cashflow operation.

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You start selling bags and they'll send the leg breakers.

Sylas said:

What a fucking retarded take this is.

Selling plat how? to who? For what purpose?

daybreak sells plat, apparently P99 sells plat, i'm pretty sure every EMU sales plat because you fucking idiots buy it, but this server literally could have been 100% offline stand alone with no internet required to play and been the exact same experience.

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That's what i thought too, because there really wasn't anything to buy on THJ. But facts are facts. If they making 100k a month people were buying EoM to sell for plat, now WTF they did with that plat? I have no clue because beyond maybe the Seru weapon WTF would you even buy on that server.

What a fucking retarded take this is.

Selling plat how? to who? For what purpose?

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EOM where peged to the plat price in the casino. That is how they got value.

Buy EoM with donation, sell for plat, buy items. Why is this hard to understand?

Did you boys think people donated 100k a month just because?

Lol it was because the eoms could be converted to plat to deck out that 8th build. Only day break can sell plat for cash.

hory said:

Buy EoM with donation, sell for plat, buy items. Why is this hard to understand?

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What items where there to buy? It would cost like 10$ A full BiS toon minus Seru Weapon and a few augs. Was it really just the scam Casino and a few whales?

Janx said:

I'd be interested to see how many did that outside the whales that wanted all the casino stuff. I never felt like I was ever short on plat as it was easy enough to get items and/or buy non enchanted/legendary items for cheap and level them up.

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My last character was a War/Bst/Rng and I bought full lego block / dodge augs as well as those stupid lego dexterity augs from the easter event. The block augs were 400k and the dex ones were 150k at the end of the server so I could see people being like fuck it and spending money instead of farming plat. I just had a couple of guys that I was running through Seru / Time / Zeb every morning. I'd buy a couple time phased quintesense for the skips at 17k a piece and then I'd usually finish 2 full runs in about an hour 15. Sell the shit I got each day I'd usually end up netting a good 150-600k a day depending on how lucky I was with drops. I'd never spend cash on it but I could definitely see people doing it.

They definitely went a little above and beyond on the greed side of things. They knew exactly what they were doing. The rarity of the lego block dodge heal augs which everyone had to have, and the encouragement of alts meant always having in demand items that required tons of plat to buy. What better shortcut than to make a "donation" for some EOM to convert to plat? Not to mention what looked like a plan to intentionally tune and nerf characters so that there was always a "flavor of the week" that everyone had to make to be the meta. So buy more bags, more EOM, more everything!

My biggest gripe towards the end was the serverwide buffs. When the population was high they were always up and I never thought about them. But when it started dropping the power buff would disappear, I wouldn't realize it and get my shit pushed in by Zeb or something because I didn't tribute haste. I took a look at the buff merchant because I was like well shit I might as well do my part and chip in a couple EOM for the good of the community right? I had 12 or something from farming. The power buff was something like 20 EOM. So $20 to buff the server for 3 hours, are you kidding me? Who the fuck was paying for all this?

Still had a great time for 4 months or so.

Def kera augs sold for a few hundred bucks.

Have you played Eq? The people buying those buffs buffed the server as a side effect. They bought for their toons foremost.

Punko said:

BiS gearing a mage + pet including kera augs was quite a few mil plat.

BiS gear is disproportionally expensive compared to the alternative.

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I don't know man i started playing after the lawsuit completely for free and quit like 3 weeks before the injunction because there was nothing for me to do, i had everything my character could even theoretically want minus upgrading 1 Kera Shielding aug, i had like 1 mill plat and a mule full of stuff sell. You would level like 2-3 full sets of gear from normal to legendary just grinding out levels/AAs.

In normal EQ i get it. People like seeing themselves at the top of the Parse so they swipe for the Shinai, they like to be the maintank on raids so they swipe for the Bloodfrenzy, they like to raid but are to busy/lazy to level so they swipe for a PL. But after they swiping they still play the game a lot and their is still stuff to do.

If you swiped that hard on THJ what would you even do in game? No gear to chase, the content is all solo faceroll at the point, like what do you even do?

Mrniceguy said:

don't know man i started playing after the lawsuit completely for free and quit like 3 weeks before the injunction because there was nothing for me to do, i had everything my character could even theoretically want minus upgrading 1 Kera Shielding aug, i had like 1 mill plat and a mule full of stuff sell. You would level like 2-3 full sets of gear from normal to legendary just grinding out levels/AAs.

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You really are slow.

The people spending 1 million plat on shit wanted earthen bracers of fort the second day of PoPs launch.

You joined after the server was flooded with loot. No shit it was cheap.

moonarchia said:

DDO for now. FFXIV after that. Maybe see where WOW is at after that. If EQ ever stops being stupid and does another free trade TLP I will do that again. Would be nice to get in early on one of those.

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I think that both of those options are good.

I would include Lord Of The Rings Online to the list of games to go check out for those who are done with EQ at this point. While Lotro is published by DBG, the development company, Standing Stone Games, is not the same people as the DBG/DPG people. SSG is a completely different company on East side of the country, so it's not like DPG where it is literally the same company and just pretending to be different for business reasons lol. There is a little bit of separation between the two so to speak. With any luck, the DBG/DPG corruption will not fully seep its way in to SSG.

And... Lotro is a very, very, very, very good game with a SHIT TON of content available for free and then a SHIT TON more content available for purchase when you get there. You can literally play for free in Lotro for years if you don't rush to the end game.

They have some server lag issues, but they are actually doing a good job of fixing it over the past year.

Sieger said:

Back when I was TLPing on Lockjaw, Jchan was known as the "good dev", because almost all their devs were crap. We'd have SOE/DBG tell us "we can't create a login queue you just have to suffer through nonstop login server crashes." Then Jchan posts "actually I can probably make a login queue." She had it made within literally 1 day and pushed to production.

She was one of the few competent engineers on that team, but it's kind of a meme in the software world that your best engineer is often not a good candidate for management, they are different skillsets. Holly wasn't particularly technical, and I bitched about Holly regularly when she was in charge, but she was way better with at least trying to get stuff done the customers actually wanted, Jchan seems to have that engineer's arrogance that the customer is always wrong, and it's reflected in how they make decisions.

They basically mocked the experienced TLP guild leaders who were telling them in official Discord Fangbreaker was a DOA ruleset, they ignored almost all feedback and barreled ahead.

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I remember when that happened, and at that time, I definitely was a Jchan fan because, honestly, she was pivotal to fixing some shit that others said just was not doable with EQ's old shit code.

But... being a programmer with three decades in my career, I can attest to the fact that 99.99% of programmers do NOT make good managers and definitely not upper management material. Programmers in general are fucking weird ass people. I am one of those rare individuals that has more of a management mind set as a programmer. I have dealt with a lot of fucking weird ass team members over the years lol.

Jchan should have never been promoted to management. It's really that simple. She needs a manager to keep her on track and not spiraling off in to stupid land.

Never under estimate what a gamer will pay to get the best right away or character power. I should be disgusted by $500 for a first weapon on a EQ EMU of all things, but I am not, that's just sadly normal these days. And GL to anyone trying to stop it, because players will find a way.

Then add in other things. Cosmetics, apparently server wide buffs. If what skylan is true, $20 for a single buff for 3h. And I assume there were multiple types, going 24/7 at its peak.

People are crazy. its no wonder they were making what they were.

Mrniceguy said:

If you swiped that hard on THJ what would you even do in game? No gear to chase, the content is all solo faceroll at the point, like what do you even do?

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My big thing was the damage meter. Chasing that sub 60s Seru kill.

hory said:

You really are slow.

The people spending 1 million plat on shit wanted earthen bracers of fort the second day of PoPs launch.

You joined after the server was flooded with loot. No shit it was cheap.

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You call me slow but don't understand a basic question. Why do they want Earthen Bracers of Fort on day 2 when you could clear all the content with Luclin gear and the only thing to do endgame is farm gear.

If you buy Shinai you get to top the DPS charts. What is the equivalent for getting Earthen Bracers on day 2.