Daybreak Sues The Heroes Journey EQ EMU Server Devs

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They should make an Everquest 3, that'll fix everything lol.
Everquest 3 will just be regular Everquest except with built in MQ2 and you can pay an additional 15 dollars per alt to have them logged in running on their built in MQ2 software so there isn't any 3rd party software needed.
 
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The reaction to THJ's closure will only encourage companies to crack down harder on all emulated servers so they don't become popular enough to create another PR problem. People react negatively to having things taken away from them, but if there were nothing given to them in the first place they won't know what they've missed to be angry about.

THJ fucked all emus by doing this. They spit on all the EQEmu devs who contributed for free by taking that much money. The more they resist in court the more it motivates game companies to crack down on private servers immediately, particularly ones with any custom content. This is already scaring other admins away from making or keeping up servers. It's absurd to make the argument that Daybreak doesn't defend their IP while they're defending their IP. Sony and Daybreak have been more generous to fan servers than Blizzard has, but THJ put them in a difficult position. The conclusion they will take from this little protest isn't "gee we should have let it stay up", it's "gee we should have stopped this sooner".
Yup. The game is also a business that has shareholders the company has to answer to. They allowed emus until emus started to (or appeared to) affect the bottom line. Running an unlicensed emu has always been a stupid thing to do, for this exact reason. Now there is going to be another explicit precedent for other companies to have in their arsenal to do this faster and harder in the future.

Pro tip: Making a live copy of a game that is still in active service without permission has a real chance to get your life buttraped.
 
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The reaction to THJ's closure will only encourage companies to crack down harder on all emulated servers so they don't become popular enough to create another PR problem. People react negatively to having things taken away from them, but if there were nothing given to them in the first place they won't know what they've missed to be angry about.

THJ fucked all emus by doing this. They spit on all the EQEmu devs who contributed for free by taking that much money. The more they resist in court the more it motivates game companies to crack down on private servers immediately, particularly ones with any custom content. This is already scaring other admins away from making or keeping up servers. It's absurd to make the argument that Daybreak doesn't defend their IP while they're defending their IP. Sony and Daybreak have been more generous to fan servers than Blizzard has, but THJ put them in a difficult position. The conclusion they will take from this little protest isn't "gee we should have let it stay up", it's "gee we should have stopped this sooner".

Nobody has fucking heard of THJ outside the EQ community. THJ did nothing that 1000s of emulators haven't done for decades.
The negative PR has nothing to do with THJ, it has to do with how shit a company DBG is.
DBG won't start to bounce back because THJ wasn't the problem, it was a solution to the problem that DBG created.
Any company that thinks "gee we should've stopped this sooner" instead of "gee we shouldn't put out such low quality content" is doomed to fail. They will be just as irrelevant to the larger gaming industry as Daybreak is.
 
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Nobody has fucking heard of THJ outside the EQ community. THJ did nothing that 1000s of emulators haven't done for decades.
The negative PR has nothing to do with THJ, it has to do with how shit a company DBG is.
DBG won't start to bounce back because THJ wasn't the problem, it was a solution to the problem that DBG created.
Any company that thinks "gee we should've stopped this sooner" instead of "gee we shouldn't put out such low quality content" is doomed to fail. They will be just as irrelevant to the larger gaming industry as Daybreak is.
1000s of emus made $100k/month selling tokens and backpacks?
 
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I like to think of it as thousands of autistic neckbeards were conditioned to spend hundreds a month on cash shops due to decades of krono cartel PLing bot armies on eq tlps, so much so that they still spent that money in a single player version of eq.

Literally thj could have been entirely offline only (would have had virtually zero impact on the game) and some of you retards would have fucking mailed checks to the devs.
 
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1000s of emus made $100k/month selling tokens and backpacks?

I wonder what the P99 guys are up to, cash wise.

Since it's an open secret they created and sold loot for years.

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To clarify, I doubt it's 1/4 as much as The Hand Job guys, but I doubt it's also an insignificant number.
 

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1000s of emus made $100k/month selling tokens and backpacks?

In EQ no, in the overall video game industry yes. Making 100k a month maybe not thousands but hundreds for sure.

Much bigger well know similar cases. Inside the Chaotic $20M FiveM Acquisition

Rockstar however made the smart move of simply buying them out instead of suing the people they felt were infringing their IP.

Edit: If your company with a 7-8 figure budget is losing large amounts of players to a dozen people with basically no budget the problem is your company, not the dozen people humiliating your failure of a company.
 

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If they had let THJ continue with their road map and innovation the THJ guys would have been making 2 million dollars a year before to long. They knew exactly what they where doing and got paid as such. The new content on the horizon would have drawn in more players. They where selling Plat under the vail of a gift for donations.

Their greed got them, same old story that has been around since the start of time.
 
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If they had let THJ continue with their road map and innovation the THJ guys would have been making 2 million dollars a year before to long. They knew exactly what they where doing and got paid as such. The new content on the horizon would have drawn in more players. They where selling Plat under the vail of a gift for donations.

Their greed got them, same old story that has been around since the start of time.
And the thing is, they could've been greedy and been fine. But they were retarded and thought it'd be a good idea to host everything in areas subject to US laws.
 

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I wonder what the P99 guys are up to, cash wise.

Since it's an open secret they created and sold loot for years

Interested Go On GIF by reactionseditor
 

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I bought shit for a few thousands on every p1999 server and never had problems.

One time I bought a manastone with plat from my main (legit plat), gave the seller his money, and asked him to give it to my lvl 1 I had parked.

5 mins after a GM came to ask about this, and once he understood the way the deal worked I never heard from it again.

I had an account with like 20k plat on red, and bought 2 fungi's and like 10 other top end items from a guy on red named Sektor, who was getting wed and simply posted about what items he wanted to RMT. Payment had to be in Bed, bath and beyond items. I remember buying him a george foreman grill. Nirgon Nirgon u remember that shit?

They check for RMT but ignore it depending on the party selling. I have no doubt staff is involved.
 
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If they had let THJ continue with their road map and innovation the THJ guys would have been making 2 million dollars a year before to long. They knew exactly what they where doing and got paid as such. The new content on the horizon would have drawn in more players. They where selling Plat under the vail of a gift for donations.

Their greed got them, same old story that has been around since the start of time.

And filing a lawsuit is still the wrong play for DBG. Suing THJ isn't going to bring 90% of those players back, most of those players are just going to one of the thousands of other video game options instead.

1) A smart play is to buyout or profit share with THJ.
2) Another smart play is to threaten and lawsuit and hope THJ cucks out like Secrets did.
3) The best play is to just see what THJ did, copy it and put out a better version of it because you have10X the budget of THJ.

The rest of the industry has basically been doing those 3 things for the past decade. Suing your fans isn't going to be beneficial to Daybreak. Daybreak got conned by a lawyer, they're the only real winners in this lawsuit.
 
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I bought shit for a few thousands on every p1999 server and never had problems.

One time I bought a manastone with plat from my main (legit plat), gave the seller his money, and asked him to give it to my lvl 1 I had parked.

5 mins after a GM came to ask about this, and once he understood the way the deal worked I never heard from it again.

I had an account with like 20k plat on red, and bought 2 fungi's and like 10 other top end items from a guy on red named Sektor, who was getting wed and simply posted about what items he wanted to RMT. Payment had to be in Bed, bath and beyond items. I remember buying him a george foreman grill. Nirgon Nirgon u remember that shit?

They check for RMT but ignore it depending on the party selling. I have no doubt staff is involved.

The worst thing, even more than staff getting kickbacks to allow RMT on p99, is the devs and GMs playing the servers.

For our efforts of exposing corruption in their ranks, people they protected until it was impossible and forcing them to deal with the community to answer for it? They were incredibly hostile and rude.

We gave them way too many chances. They will change the stupid raid rules even up to the point of giving away freebies (to the guilds the staff plays in) after promising not to do so.
 
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If there's a lesson learned from this, don't mess with DBG's underground cashflow operation.
 
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If they had let THJ continue with their road map and innovation the THJ guys would have been making 2 million dollars a year before to long. They knew exactly what they where doing and got paid as such. The new content on the horizon would have drawn in more players. They where selling Plat under the vail of a gift for donations.

Their greed got them, same old story that has been around since the start of time.
What a fucking retarded take this is.

Selling plat how? to who? For what purpose?

Literally this was a solo server selling illusion clickies and bags for donation bucks. It successfully scammed retards out of their disability checks and that upset DBG because they are utterly dependent on those retards disability checks.

daybreak sells plat, apparently P99 sells plat, i'm pretty sure every EMU sells plat because you fucking idiots buy it, but this server literally could have been 100% offline stand alone with no internet required to play and been the exact same experience, it is the only server ever to not sell plat.

You morons gave your money in perhaps the one and only truly donation only server, nothing could be bought with your donation money.

In other news i'm selling subscriptions to premium air for any of you guys who are interested now that THJ is offline and you need an outlet for your disability checks. This is truly high quality air from the swiss alps, it has medicinal and healing properties and will help you get laid. paypal me your money and I will bluetooth you guys the air over the internet.

This offer of premium air i'm willing to sell you guys gives you more benefits than Donation bucks did on THJ so you should act now to get in the ground floor, quantities are limited!
 
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