Daybreak Sues The Heroes Journey EQ EMU Server Devs
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B_Mizzle
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I'm kicking myself in the ass for missing this server. Ive been watching videos about it all weekend. Apparently the devs were super cool, did regular patching, qa sessions. Fixed things that daybreak said were impossible. Hopefully they can work something out, if the thing was making 100k a month obviously there is a market for this kind of server, I just feel like if daybreak does it they will fuck it up.
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Jysin
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This is the thing that annoys me. I know DBG's target audience is the box army krono farmers. I know they are dense..
But can't they just realize their core nostalgia fan base is now 40-50+ years old? The majority of that demographic cannot sit around raiding and grinding xp/AA for days, weeks, months on end. Yes, you can make the argument that there are teenagers and twenty somethings that could, but lets be real.. none of them want to play this dinosaur of a game. But why not make a huge marketing push for a nostalgia grab of old EQ players? Make it accessible. Make it solo friendly by some mechanic. THIS is what THJ's success was about. THJ proves there is a market for this. THJ proved there are QoL fixes that can be made. The multi-class aspect opens up so much replayability for alts.
How can they keep throwing the same recycled progression server slop at the wall? It is just so utterly disappointing. They are missing the forest for the trees.
But can't they just realize their core nostalgia fan base is now 40-50+ years old? The majority of that demographic cannot sit around raiding and grinding xp/AA for days, weeks, months on end. Yes, you can make the argument that there are teenagers and twenty somethings that could, but lets be real.. none of them want to play this dinosaur of a game. But why not make a huge marketing push for a nostalgia grab of old EQ players? Make it accessible. Make it solo friendly by some mechanic. THIS is what THJ's success was about. THJ proves there is a market for this. THJ proved there are QoL fixes that can be made. The multi-class aspect opens up so much replayability for alts.
How can they keep throwing the same recycled progression server slop at the wall? It is just so utterly disappointing. They are missing the forest for the trees.
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Cinge
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You would think in a world all about profits and money, that would happen. There is a minuscule chance it happens, like .5% chance, at least to do it themselves. Better chance of some agreement to profit share while doing none of the work. But companies make dumb decisions all the time, so I wouldn't have any hope.
They are just squeezing out any money they can with the smallest cost(effort) possible, until it finally just dies because its no longer making a profit.
They are just squeezing out any money they can with the smallest cost(effort) possible, until it finally just dies because its no longer making a profit.
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Kirun
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The more decisions like this DBG makes, the more it seems like they're probably just involved in money laundering practices.
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Pharone
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The reality of the situation is that those in charge of making the decisions that affect the game are the same people that do not have the priorities set correctly. They are more interested in things that have nothing to do with the game, the business, and their future as a game developer. Their priorities are on their feelings.
Plain and simple, those in charge should not be in charge. It's honestly that simple. They got put in positions for which they do not have the training and background to perform. And, that's because the game has been in a state of "milk it till it has nothing left" for so long that no company that owns them has felt like putting the effort in to putting qualified individuals in the positions that matter.
Nothing will change until those who make the decisions change.
The whole lawsuit debacle (right or wrong) is the culmination of really bad ideas that management has been making for SoE/DBG/DPG for years now. They make bad decision after bad decision, and the end result is that nobody does anything about it. Therefore, they don't think they are doing anything wrong.
Until the company that owns DBG (and in turn owns DPG) makes a decision to do something about the bad decisions that keep getting made there at DBG/DPG, nothing at all will change. It's really that fucking simple.
And, because of that, it shows that their parent company couldn't give two shits less what DBG/DPG does. Otherwise, they would have put an end to the fucktard parade going on over there long ago.
And again... It honestly does not matter what so ever whether the THJ guys were in the right or wrong, DBG suing them was the worst PR thing they could have EVER done. That was game development studio suicide. They fucked up. You might not see it yet, but they fucked up big time.
They should have approached them behind closed doors and made a deal just like they did with P99.
Instead, they did the stupidest thing possible and attacked their biggest most involved fans and sent a message to the gaming community that they don't give a fuck who you are and they will fuck you when ever and where ever they so please. The best analogy of what they did would be Santa Claus beat the fuck out of a five year old for opening their gifts a day early.
Yeah. They fucked up. Jchan should immediately resign to save face because her career is done otherwise. She goes down as the bitch that said FUCK YOU to her game's fanbase.
Plain and simple, those in charge should not be in charge. It's honestly that simple. They got put in positions for which they do not have the training and background to perform. And, that's because the game has been in a state of "milk it till it has nothing left" for so long that no company that owns them has felt like putting the effort in to putting qualified individuals in the positions that matter.
Nothing will change until those who make the decisions change.
The whole lawsuit debacle (right or wrong) is the culmination of really bad ideas that management has been making for SoE/DBG/DPG for years now. They make bad decision after bad decision, and the end result is that nobody does anything about it. Therefore, they don't think they are doing anything wrong.
Until the company that owns DBG (and in turn owns DPG) makes a decision to do something about the bad decisions that keep getting made there at DBG/DPG, nothing at all will change. It's really that fucking simple.
And, because of that, it shows that their parent company couldn't give two shits less what DBG/DPG does. Otherwise, they would have put an end to the fucktard parade going on over there long ago.
And again... It honestly does not matter what so ever whether the THJ guys were in the right or wrong, DBG suing them was the worst PR thing they could have EVER done. That was game development studio suicide. They fucked up. You might not see it yet, but they fucked up big time.
They should have approached them behind closed doors and made a deal just like they did with P99.
Instead, they did the stupidest thing possible and attacked their biggest most involved fans and sent a message to the gaming community that they don't give a fuck who you are and they will fuck you when ever and where ever they so please. The best analogy of what they did would be Santa Claus beat the fuck out of a five year old for opening their gifts a day early.
Yeah. They fucked up. Jchan should immediately resign to save face because her career is done otherwise. She goes down as the bitch that said FUCK YOU to her game's fanbase.
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imready2go
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No, that demographic does not have time. But you know what they do have? Disposable income. They've made the game so fucking miserable to play that the players say, "Fuck it, I'll just buy a couple kronos and get PL'ed or buy that BiS or whatever". Cha-ching for DBG. EQ is no longer a game (nor a religion lol) - it's just a krono selling machine. It's the only thing keeping that company afloat.
Is it a good business model? Fuck no. But it's making them enough money to survive and that's all they care about.
Until the players stop feeding the krono monster, the game can limp along indefinitely. DBG knows it and will milk it as long as possible.
When the players finally stop buying krono, the company will go bankrupt and the game will die. But it won't happen before then.
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Masakari
שלום ושגשוג
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What are the chances that the DBG Devs are some of the boxxing Krono farmers?
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You're 100% right. I swear it's sunk cost fallacy for Everquest that is actually keeping it afloat. These people are so reluctant to let go that instead of letting go they instead keep feeding money into it not realizing that they're just making it fester more.
Why put effort into something when your player base will pay for literal slop. People make fun of WoW players for eating Blizzards shit but holy hell at least WoW puts out shit, if WoW makes a new expansion I know they'll redo classes and probably add some retarded new system that will only last for the expansion.
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give EQ devs some credit, im being serious
eqemu rof2 client has been used for like 10+ years - the modifications needed to the client are a lot simpler than live client and have probably had more dev hours into its logic than eq devs themselves.
same with the eqemu server source - they JUST added shared tasks system (thats DoN), there are tons of systems not implemented in eqemu. eq live has to support many more features. its not the same code base.
how would eq devs even go about this? drop massive amounts of money on some system that can support a client that has multiclass possibilities while continuing to expand? its not realistic for a company... much more realistic for a couple of nerds piggybacking off 10+ years of open source development. some of yall need to stick to cutting grass and not business decisions
eqemu rof2 client has been used for like 10+ years - the modifications needed to the client are a lot simpler than live client and have probably had more dev hours into its logic than eq devs themselves.
same with the eqemu server source - they JUST added shared tasks system (thats DoN), there are tons of systems not implemented in eqemu. eq live has to support many more features. its not the same code base.
how would eq devs even go about this? drop massive amounts of money on some system that can support a client that has multiclass possibilities while continuing to expand? its not realistic for a company... much more realistic for a couple of nerds piggybacking off 10+ years of open source development. some of yall need to stick to cutting grass and not business decisions
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Mrniceguy
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The same devs that come up with the same garbage year after year after year?
The same devs that despite things being in place for years manage to create exploits on every TLP?
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I'll give the devs credit, it takes skill to be as incompetent at their job as they are. Unless it's intentional.
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Kuro
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They're all UO stans that signed on to keep torturing the sheep all these years
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Folanlron
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I will not give the current EQ devs any wiggle room, for the absolute shit show they have created in the general EQ Client, if the client is that bad makes you wonder just how fucking janked the servers are just meat balled into a fine spaghetti sauce.
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Sachee
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The way the accounting works on krono, they have to be "consumed" for the revenue to be realized on their balance sheet.
Enter the "disappearing krono pandemic of 2024". The easiest thing to dupe in EQ is platinum. And you can do several things with duped plat, as their company has learned.
You can reimburse "missing krono" with duped plat, and then declare the krono "consumed" and realize its revenue. This is accounting hack #1. I'm sure it will be "utilized" again soon (TM)
The other thing you can do is create dupes which you and your friends then exploit to purchase up the aftermarket, making more tax free money off the books.
Now when there's a dupe every decade, that might just be an accident.
When there's a dupe several times in this decade, it might be incompetence.
But when duped plat inevitably surfaces on every single mother fucking server in live EQ in this decade, you got a basic npc brain if you still calling it incompetence. imo, of course
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Regime
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The way the accounting works on krono, they have to be "consumed" for the revenue to be realized on their balance sheet.
Enter the "disappearing krono pandemic of 2024". The easiest thing to dupe in EQ is platinum. And you can do several things with duped plat, as their company has learned.
You can reimburse "missing krono" with duped plat, and then declare the krono "consumed" and realize its revenue. This is accounting hack #1. I'm sure it will be "utilized" again soon (TM)
The other thing you can do is create dupes which you and your friends then exploit to purchase up the aftermarket, making more tax free money off the books.
Now when there's a dupe every decade, that might just be an accident.
When there's a dupe several times in this decade, it might be incompetence.
But when duped plat inevitably surfaces on every single mother fucking server in live EQ in this decade, you got a basic npc brain if you still calling it incompetence. imo, of course
So wait it’s possible that DayBreak is using Kronos to money launder drugs for the cartels!?!?
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Gravel
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Meanwhile there's a bunch of people that think MnM can do all that same shit and there's actually a market for it.
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