Mrniceguy
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I for one am shocked that a group of players that didn't want to play Everquest(TM) live service didn't go back to playing Everquest(TM) live service after Daybreak sued the server they actually liked.
Daybreak Sues The Heroes Journey EQ EMU Server Devs
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I for one am shocked that a group of players that didn't want to play Everquest(TM) live service didn't go back to playing Everquest(TM) live service after Daybreak sued the server they actually liked.
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So they didn't sue because they care about money, they sued because it was costing them money?
How the fuck are you this retarded? Serious question.
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They didn't sue because THJ was making money, they sued because DBG was losing money. QED, they would have sued regardless of how much money THJ made, they would of sued even if they never took a single cent in donations. They sued because THJ made a far more popular game that (they allege) took paying customers away from their business.
How are YOU this retarded? Are you one of the eurocucks where english isn't your first language?
Now it's been argued that there was very little, if any, actual cross over between players looking for a pure Solo/offline dad version of EQ and EQ live players, either the "52 bot armies" on live servers or the "reliving the glory days but this time maybe you wont be a shitter" TLPers who rehash vanilla through PoP year after year until they relax the true box rules and let botters take over. And what little cross over there was, any and all good will was immediately vanquished when DBG sued their fans. Its also been understood by everyone with above a room temperature IQ that it was actually the shit ruleset chosen for Fangbreaker that is responsible for their loss revenue and had little if anything to do with THJ.
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yerm
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You responded to "they care about money" after correcting "The server it self was illegal. The monetization is what put them on the radar." You can sperg rant all you want; you're still just an obvious retard.
If thj hadn't been raking in donations they wouldn't have been as visible on daybreaks radar. They were known to be taking in profits of some unknown quantity at the same time that dbg devs are likely being eviscerated by their suits because fangbreaker was a total dud and they wanted a scapegoat. Had thj been quieter, maybe they scoot by. There's plenty of argument for emu success just being because they're free. Thj clearly wasnt TOTALLY free - they were raking in cash. Lots of it, it turned out.
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Nope, you are just retarded and can't read. Wrong on literally all accounts.
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According to sworn statements and affidavits submitted to the court of California by DBG they literally did not know about the donations, the email warning them of it went into a spam folder. They did not learn about THJ until after fangbreaker failed to launch in May(?) and they realized they were "missing players" that they would normally expect on TLPs (and missing the revenue/kronos from those players) and went looking. This is what they swore on penalty of perjury.
Now do we all think they are lying? Sure, but if you had any evidence of this i'm sure THJ guys would love it since the fucking trial is still upcoming. In fact, they have about 1 million reasons (and another 100k reasons per month) to care about this evidence you have that can prove that daybreak lied to the court so if you have something you should reach out to them i'm sure they'd gladly pay you a finders fee for it
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The post you quoted said "they care about money". I get that now you realized how badly you fucked up and are trying to pretend "about money" can only refer to what THJ is making and not what DBG is losing.
Even for you that's fucking retarded.
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god damn are you some fucking street shitter?
learn fucking English before you post on these forums you fucking mongoloid.
no mother fucker, the post I quoted said exactly what I just quoted, and my ftfy accurately corrected it.
what kind of reach is this shit, I know you are attempting to save face because you realize how retarded your post was but not today faggot.
learn fucking English before you post on these forums you fucking mongoloid.
how fucking retarded are you that you think that translates into some loosely based "they care about money but totally isn't referring to the money that THJ is making hurrdurr"
no mother fucker, the post I quoted said exactly what I just quoted, and my ftfy accurately corrected it.
what kind of reach is this shit, I know you are attempting to save face because you realize how retarded your post was but not today faggot.
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You dont need tyens email to know thj is making money. They claim in sworn statements that thj was making money - they just dont know how much. I'm certain because I remember the "how much" argument being IMO the second dumbest in the thread, plenty of references were made. So what if [email protected] didnt get read? They knew there were dono bucks all along.
If thj had been a totally free environment it wouldnt have been as highlighted and on their radar. Eq tlps require a sub and have numerous paid advantages in the store plus direct pay2win via krono. They understand that emus often take players because emus are free - these people wont pay for eq. If the emu isnt totally free and there is a clear paid feature, one that probably looks like krono sales to dbg devs, that puts it on their fucking radar now.
Meanwhile,
If thj had been a totally free environment it wouldnt have been as highlighted and on their radar. Eq tlps require a sub and have numerous paid advantages in the store plus direct pay2win via krono. They understand that emus often take players because emus are free - these people wont pay for eq. If the emu isnt totally free and there is a clear paid feature, one that probably looks like krono sales to dbg devs, that puts it on their fucking radar now.
Meanwhile,
This action arises from Defendants' systematic and ongoing infringement of Plaintiff's valuable intellectual property rights in the iconic EverQuest franchise. Defendants have created, operated, and promoted an unauthorized EverQuest emulator called "The Heroes' Journey" ("THJ") that brazenly copies Daybreak's copyrighted game content, circumvents Daybreak's technological protection measures, dilutes Daybreak's famous EVERQUEST mark, and generates revenue through a thinly-disguised "donation" system.
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You're actually retarded if you don't think p99 and Project Quarm are making profit.
There have been and are multiple EMUs that offer power for donations.
If you read Daybreaks response to Laches they didn't actually know THJ was taking "donations" until after they started working on the lawsuit.
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Whoa... careful bud. Somewhere Nirgon is mustering his army
You'll be griefed off
yerm
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I played with rogean in roi. I would be completely shocked if p99 profits are outpacing even half of what he could make in his day to day doing what he did. I dont know secrets as well but I recall he makes or made fat stacks as a programmer of some sort.
Not that it matters much. The claim was money put then on the rader, the rebuttal was retarded, and we're all retards going on about it. If the literal lawsuit citing finances and referring to donations isnt enough proof, nothing is, and we're playing pretend here. Just because they didnt know the exact amount or the full nature of it doesnt mean thj making money was an unknown.
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lol your argument is that DBG committed perjury and is risking their lawsuit, IP rights, and business and you think the "rebuttal is retarded" No sir, you are retarded.
THJ argued that DBG knew about their emulator and its popularity, knew it was making money for almost a year before attempting to file a surprise emergency injunction only after their own offering, Fangbreaker, failed on launch. Since they knew and allowed to run (just like every other of the thousands of emulators over the last 20 years, many/most of which also made money) then there was no basis for an emergency injunction, if it was an emergency they would of filed immediately back in 2024.
Granted, that is most likely the truth.
HOWEVER, DBG argued that they did not know about THJ, the email warning them about it went to a spam filter. it was developed and grew without their knowledge and certainly without their consent, and the moment they learned about it, from the drop in expected players from their annual TLP offering, ie from DBG's loss in revenue, they investigated and then immediately filed an injunction to shut it down.
Granted, this is most likely bullshit. But we aren't arguing what actually happened. In order to win the emergency injunction DBG has somewhat argued themselves into a corner but by shutting down the defendants revenue and quarantining their profits made until the trial is adjudicated then it may all be moot. But they did very succinctly argue that whether THJ made any money or not is irrelevant, they are suing because DBG is losing money.
I simply stated what DBG argued in fucking court, and you're arguing against it like that's going to magically change something. It's all a matter of public record, and you are arguing against it because you are retarded.
You guys are worse than fucking astrocreep right now, just take your fucking L.
You: THJ got sued because they took donations from boomer retards hurrr
Me: well akshually...according to DBG's own attorney in their court documents, they didn't even know about THJ until after Fangbreaker failed, they got sued because they were too popular and took too many players from TLPs, shit the number of actual players on THJ dwarfs the rest of EQ live and Emus combined. They would of gotten sued whether they took donations or not for being too popular, according to DBG's own sworn statements.
You: nuhhh uhhh
THJ argued that DBG knew about their emulator and its popularity, knew it was making money for almost a year before attempting to file a surprise emergency injunction only after their own offering, Fangbreaker, failed on launch. Since they knew and allowed to run (just like every other of the thousands of emulators over the last 20 years, many/most of which also made money) then there was no basis for an emergency injunction, if it was an emergency they would of filed immediately back in 2024.
Granted, that is most likely the truth.
HOWEVER, DBG argued that they did not know about THJ, the email warning them about it went to a spam filter. it was developed and grew without their knowledge and certainly without their consent, and the moment they learned about it, from the drop in expected players from their annual TLP offering, ie from DBG's loss in revenue, they investigated and then immediately filed an injunction to shut it down.
Granted, this is most likely bullshit. But we aren't arguing what actually happened. In order to win the emergency injunction DBG has somewhat argued themselves into a corner but by shutting down the defendants revenue and quarantining their profits made until the trial is adjudicated then it may all be moot. But they did very succinctly argue that whether THJ made any money or not is irrelevant, they are suing because DBG is losing money.
I simply stated what DBG argued in fucking court, and you're arguing against it like that's going to magically change something. It's all a matter of public record, and you are arguing against it because you are retarded.
You guys are worse than fucking astrocreep right now, just take your fucking L.
You: THJ got sued because they took donations from boomer retards hurrr
Me: well akshually...according to DBG's own attorney in their court documents, they didn't even know about THJ until after Fangbreaker failed, they got sued because they were too popular and took too many players from TLPs, shit the number of actual players on THJ dwarfs the rest of EQ live and Emus combined. They would of gotten sued whether they took donations or not for being too popular, according to DBG's own sworn statements.
You: nuhhh uhhh
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I quoted the literal affidavit saying donations. What more is there to say? When fangbreaker flopped HARD and they scrambled to explain why for any other reason than "we suck at our jobs" there was THJ and lo and behold they were making money. It was one of the things that caused them to blip when dbg checked to see why fangbreaker failed and needed excuses.
The key to this is that everyone (even dbg devs, if not the suits too) knows the reason fangbreaker failed is that it sucked ass. There is ONE dev who is a fucking cunt and thinks taking a good idea (weak player power at expac launch for challenge) and make it absurd (vaniki) or forever (fangbreaker) and maybe this dude doesn't realize fangbreaker blows nuts. Everyone else knows. The lawyers know. Jchan knows.
So...
When they looked for a scapegoat, they weren't REALLY looking for where the fang subs went. They all knew (except that one fuck). They were ACTUALLY looking for an excuse. That's it. An excuse. THJ rolling fat stacks blipped their radar because they weren't looking for subs, they were looking for excuses.
The key to this is that everyone (even dbg devs, if not the suits too) knows the reason fangbreaker failed is that it sucked ass. There is ONE dev who is a fucking cunt and thinks taking a good idea (weak player power at expac launch for challenge) and make it absurd (vaniki) or forever (fangbreaker) and maybe this dude doesn't realize fangbreaker blows nuts. Everyone else knows. The lawyers know. Jchan knows.
So...
When they looked for a scapegoat, they weren't REALLY looking for where the fang subs went. They all knew (except that one fuck). They were ACTUALLY looking for an excuse. That's it. An excuse. THJ rolling fat stacks blipped their radar because they weren't looking for subs, they were looking for excuses.
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Not only does it matter it's the central point behind both the reasoning for suing THJ and the harm claim. The claim isn't just that "money put them on the radar" it's that how much and how the money was being attained that put them on the Radar. Also that if THJ didn't exist that money would've made it's way to Daybreak. But according to Daybreak they didn't know how much or how until after they decided to sue. How much and how is supposedly the reason for why they didn't also sue p99, Quarm, PEQ, EZ server ECT.
But in reality the reason is simply THJ was popular at a time DBG was failing. Rather than admit to the suits at EG7 that profits were down because of lackluster expansions, failed TLPs, disappearing Krono scandal, Tower gear on Teek, rampant cheating, inconsistent rules enforcement ect. DBG looked for a scapegoat and found one in THJ and now that THJ is gone those players haven't gone back to Live/TLPs because they have no interest in Live/TLPs
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They'll be back
Get. Hype.
edit - I've made this joke a lot (and I'm going to keep making it until next May) but in all seriousness while the Fanbreaker ruleset read as bad the actual day to day reality of it is so much worse. It launched at the end of May with Luclin. Starting with November 13th it gets the level cap raised to 60. In Luclin. For another twelve full weeks.
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that you were wrong? That you mispoke? That you were arguing for what reason you think XYZ happened when the discussion was just a fucking
and you didn't read it?
it's ok, you're retarded, I forgive you.
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