Daybreak Sues The Heroes Journey EQ EMU Server Devs

moonarchia

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everything you just said is right if its being hosted in a country that cares.
There are enough countries that care for it to happen the moment a judge decides to null route offending servers. Just like the US, they all have the power to tell the ISPs running the physical routers to null route IP blocks or unplug the fiber to country X at a moment's notice. Players in China and the USSR won't be affected, but for everyone else those servers will be gone.
 

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There are enough countries that care for it to happen the moment a judge decides to null route offending servers. Just like the US, they all have the power to tell the ISPs running the physical routers to null route IP blocks or unplug the fiber to country X at a moment's notice. Players in China and the USSR won't be affected, but for everyone else those servers will be gone.
just because people have the power to do something doesnt mean they will.

EQ is almost irrelevant to everyone but us and dbg, there not going constantly block existing and new IP's, wouldnt it take years to make it through the courts so that as a country usa would send a directive to all isp's to block a certain IP and then how does that work when a new emu spins up next month, do they have to go back through the courts and back to the ISP's?
 

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just because people have the power to do something doesnt mean they will.

EQ is almost irrelevant to everyone but us and dbg, there not going constantly block existing and new IP's, wouldnt it take years to make it through the courts so that as a country usa would send a directive to all isp's to block a certain IP and then how does that work when a new emu spins up next month, do they have to go back through the courts and back to the ISP's?
That's why I said "and the Turtle WOW thing", because that will be where things start getting spicy. M$FT's money and owned congress critters will absolutely get anything a judge decrees sent out immediately. DBG's success here is just the opening salvo. It reiterates what should have been common sense, you don't make money off someone else's IP without a license, with the force of law behind it. Our trade agreements and treaties for the past 100+ years have had copyright bullshit baked into them. A call to shut down emulated servers will be globally enforced by any and all countries that don't want an international trade dispute with the US, and it will be done damn near immediately. Every country has their ISPs by the balls in the name of national security, as they should. Government says 'block these IPs' or 'turn down the fiber to X country' and the ISPs will immediately comply.

This is something of a personal and professional thing for me. If you were around during the Napster stuff and the DMCA you had all of this front and center for a few years. I now also have 20+ years working in telecomm, including quite a few years now working in the network infrastructure and the legal adjacent teams that deal with requests from LEAs and MAFIAA lawyers. The US has done the work to enact our own version of the Great Firewall of China at the drop of a hat. Every country in Europe and Asia has done the same. Every single one of those countries that wants their copyrights to mean a damn thing is going to play ball once the emulated servers get called out. This isn't going to be passion project devs vs copyright owners. It is going to be the black market vs the coordinated efforts of multiple governments and every ISP that wants to stay in business in those countries.

THJ being the start of this is amusing, because it's EQ related. In a better universe copyright laws wouldn't exist at this point, because the reality of technology and the internet have made them utterly irrelevant. I am not a fan of the Disney distortion that has copyrights existing for 95 years instead of going into public domain after 14 years as it was when the Constitution was ratified. EQ should be in the public doman by now. But it's not, and won't be in our lifetimes unless some really rich philanthropist buys it out and specifically makes it so. Still rooting for the THJ team to turn over all the $$$ and get a settlement that doesn't fuck them over.
 
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That's why I said "and the Turtle WOW thing", because that will be where things start getting spicy. M$FT's money and owned congress critters will absolutely get anything a judge decrees sent out immediately. DBG's success here is just the opening salvo. It reiterates what should have been common sense, you don't make money off someone else's IP without a license, with the force of law behind it. Our trade agreements and treaties for the past 100+ years have had copyright bullshit baked into them. A call to shut down emulated servers will be globally enforced by any and all countries that don't want an international trade dispute with the US, and it will be done damn near immediately. Every country has their ISPs by the balls in the name of national security, as they should. Government says 'block these IPs' or 'turn down the fiber to X country' and the ISPs will immediately comply.

This is something of a personal and professional thing for me. If you were around during the Napster stuff and the DMCA you had all of this front and center for a few years. I now also have 20+ years working in telecomm, including quite a few years now working in the network infrastructure and the legal adjacent teams that deal with requests from LEAs and MAFIAA lawyers. The US has done the work to enact our own version of the Great Firewall of China at the drop of a hat. Every country in Europe and Asia has done the same. Every single one of those countries that wants their copyrights to mean a damn thing is going to play ball once the emulated servers get called out. This isn't going to be passion project devs vs copyright owners. It is going to be the black market vs the coordinated efforts of multiple governments and every ISP that wants to stay in business in those countries.

THJ being the start of this is amusing, because it's EQ related. In a better universe copyright laws wouldn't exist at this point, because the reality of technology and the internet have made them utterly irrelevant. I am not a fan of the Disney distortion that has copyrights existing for 95 years instead of going into public domain after 14 years as it was when the Constitution was ratified. EQ should be in the public doman by now. But it's not, and won't be in our lifetimes unless some really rich philanthropist buys it out and specifically makes it so. Still rooting for the THJ team to turn over all the $$$ and get a settlement that doesn't fuck them over.

I get it you live in your own version of reality.

I guess we will see where we are in a couple of years
 
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Having a server reside totally in some noncompliant second world country is all fine and good. Having the devs do it, and I use the word totally on purpose, that's something else entirely. Even if you move to almaty or wherever you will still want your usa documents and bank accounts etc.

These lawsuits name the defendants as individuals. You can't just stash the server, you have to also stash yourself, if you want to dodge the lawsuits.

Good luck.
 

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Whats the tl:dr here?

People ran emu server

People added micro-trans to emu server

Daybreak lost money

People made money

Daybreak big mad sues people

people shut down emu server

you are caught up.
 
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People want to set up new micro transaction emu server in a foreign country?

This piece shit of game can't still be making this much money to worth all this hassle
 
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People want to set up new micro transaction emu server in a foreign country?

This piece shit of game can't still be making this much money to worth all this hassle

Apparently the micro-trans were pulling in at least 20k a month and I think the court docs said the actual was around 100k+ a month.
 
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Damn there are so many 40 year old incels in the world

I mean, a lot of the focus of EQ, at this point, is autistic / Asperger people that hate change. Those people, generally, went into tech / mathematics jobs and have low impulse control and decent pay.
 
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Loser Araysar

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They had triple classing and adjusted number so basically everything is solo viable or duo at worst. Looks super cool, but I missed it.

That's funny.

I stopped playing in late Luclin, never played PoP at launch. But like 10 years later I reenabled my acct and got one of those cleric mercs and then just stomped my way through NTOV for lulz, duoing everything.

Couldn't believe it.
 

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I mean, a lot of the focus of EQ, at this point, is autistic / Asperger people that hate change. Those people, generally, went into tech / mathematics jobs and have low impulse control and decent pay.
Take It Personally Michael Jordan GIF
 
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