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Big Phoenix said:
Youre talking a 5-10% performance difference but a $75-100 more expensive system. At least 8700k compared to 2700x
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I'm talking the difference between needing to lower settings or not. A stable frame rate or not. Headroom in spiky performance games/scenes or not. And even if I was just talking about 5-10% performance metrics, then it would still matter as we're talking about hardware here. More performance for the money is always relevant.

Note that I'm not even bashing Ryzen here, I'm just correcting your statement that the CPU doesn't matter outside of high refresh/1080p which hasn't been the case for quite some time. The days of slapping an OC'd 2500k into a rig and being good to go with no concerns are gone. Games like the new AC games are core hogs, and they're not the only ones, and even in some of those games IPC matters because the main thread can bottleneck the rest of it.

Hardware purchases require choices based on a lot of factors, both brands have their place in that process.
 
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So price vs performance, which to get? Like I said I play in 1080p and have a 1070. Not expecting ultra here just high. My computer takes a shit with BF 5 playing. I will have a smooth 90 then other areas it dips to 40s and shit when tons of players are around. This is the first game that taxed my system. I ws playing Destiny 2 on ultra and getting 90.
 
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Also another question. Never really upgraded before, jsut usually bought all new shit before. Could I just get Mo-Bo, proc, memory, new cooler and just plug in my old drives with win already installed? I dont want to clean my shit, its already clean.

Here is what im thinking...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($339.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $607.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Also my microcenter has one of these puppies for only $50 more...

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Worth?


Or the 8700K for..

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Or say fuck it and get one of these puppies...

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mkopec said:
Also another question. Never really upgraded before, jsut usually bought all new shit before. Could I just get Mo-Bo, proc, memory, new cooler and just plug in my old drives with win already installed? I dont want to clean my shit, its already clean.
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You can definitely do this, though you might want to uninstall and mobo specific drivers and whatnot before you swap out part. Reinstalling windows is still ideal and it's why I have a separate SSD for just windows, so I can wipe it and reinstall with little hassle.

Of those 3 CPUs, the 8700k is the best value. The 8086 is essentially an overclocked 8700k to begin with and the 9900k is almost double the price, but not double the performance.
 
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Def stick with 8700K on Intel side.Will be fine for your 1070 and resolve your CPU bottleneck well. Double CPU price not worth it for gaming, might as well save the $ for a 1070 upgrade or for a nicer monitor.
 
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Noodleface said:
It won't be useless, but you're adding the USB stack overhead into the equation. I certainly wouldn't want games or OS on that. Is m.2 an option? Pcie ?
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I might be able to do PCIe. Didn't even know that was a thing.
 
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Who wants to be stuck with a drive permanently wired to a pcie card though? nvme is smaller, nicer to resell or salvage & reuse for a future build.
 
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mkopec said:
Also another question. Never really upgraded before, jsut usually bought all new shit before. Could I just get Mo-Bo, proc, memory, new cooler and just plug in my old drives with win already installed? I dont want to clean my shit, its already clean.

Here is what im thinking...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($339.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $607.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-19 14:40 EST-0500


Also my microcenter has one of these puppies for only $50 more...

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Worth?


Or the 8700K for..

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Or say fuck it and get one of these puppies...

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Heads up. That's not an 8700k. It's an 8700 non-k. Can't overclock it which means it's pointless within that price-range. Edit- The pic one you posted, not the pcpartpicker link
 
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Noodleface said:
Well there's that but I meant actual pcie drives
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Is USB really even that large of a bottleneck? USB 3.0 is 5Gbps and eSATA is 6. Will the difference even be that noticeable, especially when compared to your typical HDD?
 
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I'm still using my build from 2016. 6700k & gtx 1080. This will probably last me at least another 2 years considering how meh the rtx series is.
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Kirun said:
Is USB really even that large of a bottleneck? USB 3.0 is 5Gbps and eSATA is 6. Will the difference even be that noticeable, especially when compared to your typical HDD?
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Tough so say. Maybe not, but I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it.
 
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Kirun said:
Is USB really even that large of a bottleneck? USB 3.0 is 5Gbps and eSATA is 6. Will the difference even be that noticeable, especially when compared to your typical HDD?
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Yes.
  • Latency is the biggest advantage of the SSD and. USB will add a lot of latency.
  • It will also add CPU overhead for long sustained writes to your USB SSD (as opposed to DMA over SATA).
  • No Read/Write cache for external disk (again slower, especially with small game files)
All these negate the main reasons for getting an SSDs. Might even negatively impact your gaming performance.
Do you need more storage space period, or just more fast SSD space? What drives do you have internally?
 
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I think I would be OK with an external HD if it and my pc had thunderbolt capabilities. Modern thunderbolt capabilities.
 
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Kirun said:
I really need another SSD this year for gaming. I think I'm going to go with the 1TB 860 Evo. Issue is, I fucking hate installing new drives in my old ass case, and I think I might be out of SATA ports anyhow. Am I going to render the SSD thing worthless by using an enclosure, or are the speeds over USB fine compared to SATA?
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How many drives do you currently have installed?? Unless your system is ancient it should have 6-8 SATA connectors.

USB3.0 will be AWFUL for anything program related.
 
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spronk said:
always had a problem with a few games having micro stutters, this fix someone found on era helped me out a lot
Windows 10 intermittent game stutter

Turned off network discovery in Status, Network Status, Sharing Options:

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Another one is Windows 10 fullscreen optimizations, it helps on some games if you still have stuttering.

Right click on .exe > properties > compatibility > Disable full screen optimizations
 
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