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Joeboo
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Yeah, you'd get more bang for your buck with just putting that 3570k into a new motherboard and spending the savings on not buying a new processor on a better video card, or bigger SSD or something. An upgrade from a 3570k to a 4570k is going to be pretty underwhelming(5% performance increase...maybe), unless you need the better onboard video for some reason.
In fact, the 3570k overclocks better/easier than the 4570k, so by the time you clock your 3570k at like 4.2 or 4.4ghz, it's probably going to give you the exact same performance in gaming as the 4570k at 4.0 or so.
In fact, the 3570k overclocks better/easier than the 4570k, so by the time you clock your 3570k at like 4.2 or 4.4ghz, it's probably going to give you the exact same performance in gaming as the 4570k at 4.0 or so.
I lost the silicon lotto with my 3570k. It only does 4.0 reliably. Anything higher and the event log starts shitting out errors left and right. Up the volts and it gets super toasty, even with good cooling. I could de-lid, size down the TS/Die gap, but that would only get me to 4.2 GHz. No real point, thus my desire to get a new CPU/Mainboard.
So, does anyone else think the min requirements for CoD: Ghosts and Watch Dogs are total bullshit?
Denaut
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I just looked them up, they don't seem ridiculous. I assume this is a next-gen only game.
Denaut
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I have to assume then that the 360/PS3 versions are massively cut down. Essentially what you are looking at are the kind of systems requirements you would expect for a game revolving around some sort of important simulation.
Simulation games are very CPU/RAM heavy but they multi-core very well because you can break down the simulation part into thousands of threads. Normally what you'd see is 2 main threads, one for "normal" gameplay (i.e. the part around the character) and one for the "simulation" part. Each main thread then spins out lots and lots of little threads. This means that you need 2 cores for the main threads but 4 or more cores is a big help because the main threads can eat 100% of a core each and then have dedicated cores for all the little threads it needs.
Naturally, with all this processing going on you need lots of RAM, and then to use that RAM the binaries have to be 64-bit, hence the requirements for multiple cores, lots of RAM, and a 64-bit OS so it can use it. For another example see the X:Rebirth system requirements, that has a very similar simulation focus and the requirements look about the same.
Joeboo
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For those that don't want to have to google these system requirements...
Watch Dogs:
MINIMUM
Supported OS: Windows Vista SP2 64bit, Windows 7 SP1 64bit, Windows 8 64bit
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8400 @ 2.66Ghz or AMD Phenom II X4 940 @ 3.0Ghz
RAM: 6 GB
Video Card: 1024 VRAM DirectX 11 with Shader Model 5.0 (see supported list)
Sound Card: DirectX 9 compatible Sound Card
This product supports 64-bit operating systems ONLY
RECOMMENDED
Processor: Core i7 3770 @ 3.5Ghz or AMD FX-8350 @ 4.0Ghz
RAM: 8 GB
Video Card: 2048 VRAM DirectX 11 with Shader Model 5.0 or higher (see supported list)
Sound Card: Surround Sound 5.1 capable sound card
Supported Video Cards at Time of Release:
nVidia GeForce GTX460 or better, GT500, GT600, GT700 series;
AMD Radeon HD5850 or better, HD6000, HD7000, R7 and R9 series
Intel? IrisT Pro HD 5200
Cod: Ghosts:
OS: Win 7 SP1 64bit / Win 8 64bit
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.66 GHZ Processor / AMD Phenom X3 8750 2.4 GHZ or better
RAM: 6GB of System Memory
HDD: 50GB Hard-Drive Space
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti / ATI Radeon HD 5870 or better with DirectX 11 support
AUDIO: DirectX capable audio card
Call of Duty Ghosts Recommended System Requirements
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780
Watch Dogs:
MINIMUM
Supported OS: Windows Vista SP2 64bit, Windows 7 SP1 64bit, Windows 8 64bit
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8400 @ 2.66Ghz or AMD Phenom II X4 940 @ 3.0Ghz
RAM: 6 GB
Video Card: 1024 VRAM DirectX 11 with Shader Model 5.0 (see supported list)
Sound Card: DirectX 9 compatible Sound Card
This product supports 64-bit operating systems ONLY
RECOMMENDED
Processor: Core i7 3770 @ 3.5Ghz or AMD FX-8350 @ 4.0Ghz
RAM: 8 GB
Video Card: 2048 VRAM DirectX 11 with Shader Model 5.0 or higher (see supported list)
Sound Card: Surround Sound 5.1 capable sound card
Supported Video Cards at Time of Release:
nVidia GeForce GTX460 or better, GT500, GT600, GT700 series;
AMD Radeon HD5850 or better, HD6000, HD7000, R7 and R9 series
Intel? IrisT Pro HD 5200
Cod: Ghosts:
OS: Win 7 SP1 64bit / Win 8 64bit
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.66 GHZ Processor / AMD Phenom X3 8750 2.4 GHZ or better
RAM: 6GB of System Memory
HDD: 50GB Hard-Drive Space
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti / ATI Radeon HD 5870 or better with DirectX 11 support
AUDIO: DirectX capable audio card
Call of Duty Ghosts Recommended System Requirements
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780
Whelp, hoping specs don't rise to much more. RAM and video card I can do in a year or two, but fuck upgrading everything already.
Joeboo
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Well to be fair, on those Watch Dog minimum specs, the processors are over 4 years old, and DX11 video cards have been around just as long (all of that is 2009 Technology)
PC gaming had been moving at a snails pace the last half decade, I'm glad to see the technology envelope starting to get pushed a little bit again. And heck, as far as RAM goes, the last PC I built that had less than 8GB of RAM in it was probably 2005-ish(the PC I used from 05-08 had 4GB)
PC gaming had been moving at a snails pace the last half decade, I'm glad to see the technology envelope starting to get pushed a little bit again. And heck, as far as RAM goes, the last PC I built that had less than 8GB of RAM in it was probably 2005-ish(the PC I used from 05-08 had 4GB)
Not a huge AMD fan but damn the R9280X looks like a sweet deal. 300 Bucks for that kinda performance...some of you might wanna hold off a week or 2 before buying a card.
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I hadn't even noticed that. Yea, my last computer had a Core 2 Quad and I built it in... mid 2007. The 400 series is the first DX11 SM5 card and those came out in 2010. So yea, it is about time.
Not only that but you can also crossfire the new R2X0 series with last gen's 7000 series. The green team should have thought of that idea...
If you're a 7970 owner, there's no real reason to upgrade just yet (unless you do 2x R290X Crossfire). In one year's time, all you'll have to do is pop in a R280x and you're done. I'm really liking AMD's affordability but my huge epeen won't allow me to buy their stuff.
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Look at the recommended processor they have.... That shit is like from the early 2000's so your shit will be fine for a long time. That i7 recommendation is stupid because we all know that no games take advantage of 8 cores. and that right there is the core of your system. As to the video card? Well thats one thing you will probably have to upgrade in a year or two, LIKE YOU WERE TOLD WHEN YOU BOUGHT YOUR SHIT.
Joeboo
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Lol, I had to go back and look, but my exact comment to the system that Sythro just ordered was "Solid build, should get 1.5-2yrs out of the video card before you feel like you might want to upgrade it, rest of the stuff will be good for 5+ years."
Never expect to get more than 2 years out a video card before you'll want to upgrade it. If you go cheap to begin with, you might be looking more at 12-18 months.
Never expect to get more than 2 years out a video card before you'll want to upgrade it. If you go cheap to begin with, you might be looking more at 12-18 months.
I'm okay with upgrading the video card, I was just worried about having to buy another board, another processor, etc, already. Lol.