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Kajiimagi

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Call me paranoid about NVMe, but I would find a way to work in one big ass Sata HDD to, if nothing else, just store a nightly image of the other 4 drives on... Just in case.

Don't know why I'm always weary of various SSD technologies.. but I am....
I've been using SSD/NVMe since it became affordable. I also do incremental backups of stuff I care about but only issue I ever recall having was early early in SSD days Patriot (I think) had a controller with a known problem and they sent me a replacement drive that they made me aware of). Considering the complexity of a mechanical HDD , It's a wonder they EVER work.


EDIT: Caveat Haus Haus , I'm 100% self taught and only really care about PC's for playing games. So take my $.02 with a giant grain o' salt.
 

darkmiasma

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So exactly which drivers are causing this shit to happen? What do I need to roll back?

*Edit: So I tried the Boot into Safe mode thing (turn off PC power @ MSI logo 3 times, boot 4th time) - it did the Automatic Repairs process and then seemingly restarted, again going to monitor signal loss. Turned off power, booted again, hit F11 to go to Boot Manager. Picked the first option (I forget what it was but maybe Windows Boot or something) and it booted to windows login normally. Seemingly working fine now.

Not sure what exactly caused this issue or how to prevent it in the future...

I'd grab 26.3.1 - that's the latest most stable version that is pretty much agreed on as the one to use. If that didn't work for you 26.1.1 is the one you want. I used 26.1.1 months with no issues. I just moved to 26.3.1 and it's just as good, with a few bug fixes for Adrenalin settings and Alt-Tabbing.


Adrenalin 26.3.1 (WHQL Recommended)
File Size 908 MB
Release Date 2026-03-19

Boot into safe mode (windows key + R and type msconfig > go to Boot tab and select Safe Mode). Uninstall the AMD software and then install these drivers instead. Also, these 2 KBs seem to be the most problematic. Microsoft officially acknowledged the August one fucking things up big time, while the July out of band update was not specifically for AMD, it seems to have solved a lot of issues getting rid of it as well.

KBUninstall potentialWhy
KB5121003 — Aug. 11, 2026🔴 Main oneConfirmed gaming crashes/freezes/reboots after installation on some systems
KB5121767 — July 18, 2026🟡 Worth checkingRadeon users have reported TDR/black-screen problems disappearing after uninstalling it
 
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I'm on 26.9.1 , staying on latest as they added FMR 4 for the 7000 series cards. I'll put below what I was doing to diagnose.
Issue i was having was the right monitor would go black at random times for no reason at all.


This is my notes from trying to figure out wtf myself. I put it on a windows sticky and update it when / if it doesn't work (which is why one is marked didn't work)

Common Causes and Solutions

Disable Multi-Plane Overlay (MPO): This is a frequent culprit for black screens in browsers like Chrome or when watching YouTube. Disabling MPO via registry edits or using tools like MPO Disable often resolves these specific video playback crashes without affecting gaming performance. DID THIS ONE 8/2/26 DID NOT WORK !!!!!! 8/10/26



Update or Roll Back Drivers: Recent AMD Adrenalin drivers (such as 25.5.1) have been reported to cause instability. Users found success by performing a clean driver install using DDU and reverting to older, stable versions like 24.5.1 or 25.3.1. Installing the "drivers only" version without the Adrenalin software suite can also eliminate overlay conflicts.


Check DisplayPort Cable and Settings: The RX 7900 XTX outputs high-bandwidth signals (DP 2.1) that can overwhelm older monitors (DP 1.2/1.4) or poor-quality cables. Ensure you are using a VESA-certified DisplayPort 1.4 or 2.1 cable. Additionally, disable FreeSync, Enhanced Sync, and Hardware Accelerated GPU Scheduling (HAGS) in Windows or AMD settings to test for stability. DID HAGS 8/10/26

Adjust TdrDelay: If the issue involves a driver timeout (black screen followed by a crash or restart), increasing the TdrDelay registry key from the default 2 seconds to 10 or 60 seconds can prevent Windows from forcibly resetting the GPU while decoding high-demand video streams.

Power Supply Stability: The RX 7900 XTX has significant power spikes. Ensure your PSU is at least 850W-1000W and that you are using native PCIe cables rather than daisy-chained adapters, as insufficient power delivery during video decoding can cause temporary


I already knew my cables were ok , in fact changing the right monitor to HDMI from DP removed my issues on that monitor entirely. I didn't mess with the delay as that usually is a can o worms so I dug further and this is where I am now. It's stopped everything as of the end of last month.

Sadly, not sure this is exactly a Windows or AMD issue, this shit is just so damn complex things break. AMD moved on so they could give 2 fucks about fixing last gen card, hell I'm plesantly surprised they got around to adding FMR 4.

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Hope this helps bro!

Appreciate the extensive detailed help! Unfortunately I did that right off when I got it to boot to windows and it still has the issue :/
 
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Kajiimagi

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Appreciate the extensive detailed help! Unfortunately I did that right off when I got it to boot to windows and it still has the issue :/
have you mess with your monitor refresh rates? Drop them down , like way down and see if it goes away, then gradually bring them up. I was on DP since my monitor could do 144hz and it flickered so bad even with short high quality cables I went to 120HZ.
 
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Brikker

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I'd grab 26.3.1 - that's the latest most stable version that is pretty much agreed on as the one to use. If that didn't work for you 26.1.1 is the one you want. I used 26.1.1 months with no issues. I just moved to 26.3.1 and it's just as good, with a few bug fixes for Adrenalin settings and Alt-Tabbing.


Adrenalin 26.3.1 (WHQL Recommended)
File Size 908 MB
Release Date 2026-03-19

Boot into safe mode (windows key + R and type msconfig > go to Boot tab and select Safe Mode). Uninstall the AMD software and then install these drivers instead. Also, these 2 KBs seem to be the most problematic. Microsoft officially acknowledged the August one fucking things up big time, while the July out of band update was not specifically for AMD, it seems to have solved a lot of issues getting rid of it as well.

KBUninstall potentialWhy
KB5121003 — Aug. 11, 2026🔴 Main oneConfirmed gaming crashes/freezes/reboots after installation on some systems
KB5121767 — July 18, 2026🟡 Worth checkingRadeon users have reported TDR/black-screen problems disappearing after uninstalling it
Uninstalled that first security update, doesn't look like i have the second one...

Working on that old driver.

Weird thing, when I uninstalled KB5121003 and then shut down the PC, it started up totally fine straight to windows login. However, when I restarted the PC it went to the same issue...
 
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darkmiasma

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Just make sure you remember to turn off hardware acceleration in browsers and discord - you should be good otherwise.
 
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Call me paranoid about NVMe, but I would find a way to work in one big ass Sata HDD to, if nothing else, just store a nightly image of the other 4 drives on... Just in case.
As you should. While SSDs have no mechanical parts, they are more prone to failure than a HDD, and in a different, nastier way, too.

The flash cells (the things actually containing the bits and bytes) themselves are organized in blocks (usually called pages) around 4K to 16K. When there is nothing there yet it is not a problem, the controller can directly write to that part. But when there was previous data that needs to be updated (think about adding a file to a directory), then there's a small issue: Flash cells can only be written from neutral state (no electrical charge, reads as a 1 bit) to a charged state (0 bit) once. If you want to write a 1 bit (no charge) where currently is a 0 bit (charge), you need to reset the flash cell to the "no charge" state.

But erasing a cell isn't that easy, because of the sheer amount of flash cells they can be erased page by page. So if you update only 1 bit in a 512 byte sector, you suddenly have to reset the complete page (4K to 16K), and then rewrite it's data with the changed information.

But this nifty trick can only be done so many times, and this is the reason modern SSDs have something called "wear leveling", were they distribute that freshly written data to page that hasn't been erased as much as the other pages. How often this can be done depends on the cell technology: single level cells (stores 1 bit) up to 100.000 times, quad level cells (stores 4 bits per cell) between 500 and 1000 times.

Also, because SLC can be written faster, as an additional trick up their sleeve modern SSDs now store written bulk data to a part of the SSD as SLC information, and then once writes settle down rewrite it from that SLC cache to TLC/QLC. This is why some SSDs can write real fast up to a certain point, and then suddenly stall: It's not about heat. In fact, keeping the flash cells nice and toasty prolongs their life when writing. Their SLC quota is simply used up, and now they have to write directly to TLC/QLC.

Rotating hard disk drives are prone to mechanical issues, but if you have a competent data rescue lab parts of the data can usually be recovered by reading the platter. When an SSD fails it usually loses it's map where the logical sector (from the perspective of the OS) was stored in which flash page on the SSD, and due to wear leveling this looks completely random. You may recover individual pages, but for everything bigger than a flash page you just have a million pieces jigsaw puzzle, except with flat edges. if you have a self-encrypting drive (SED), then you are just plain fucked.

tl;dr: Back up your stuff. Even the things you deem unimportant now. Rule of thumb: If it took you longer than 10 minutes to do, and 5 minutes to think about, then it may be worth backing up. If you can, do this to at least two different drives. Test your restore.
 
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Haus

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tl;dr: Back up your stuff. Even the things you deem unimportant now. Rule of thumb: If it took you longer than 10 minutes to do, and 5 minutes to think about, then it may be worth backing up. If you can, do this to at least two different drives. Test your restore.
This. This is my underlying theory. There are images I have from old scanned photos which either I don't own, or have been lost to time from my family, and scanned documents, and other things which I REALLY don't want to think about never having access to. And IMHO if you're going to drop good coin on a top end system, a 10TB HDD doesn't cost that much more now a days. That, and if you're REALLY paranoid, in an external fireproof enclosure.

For me this comes from having lost some digital artifacts I'll never be able to recreate.

Nice explaination as well.
 

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Call me paranoid about NVMe, but I would find a way to work in one big ass Sata HDD to, if nothing else, just store a nightly image of the other 4 drives on... Just in case.

Don't know why I'm always weary of various SSD technologies.. but I am....
i'm sure we've all had that samsung ssd fail on us and we still use samsung ssds (nvme)
 

Haus

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i'm sure we've all had that samsung ssd fail on us and we still use samsung ssds (nvme)
Oh definitely, because when it comes down to it performance of SSDs over HDDs can't really be denied. But it's not a reason not to have a backup ;)
 

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Just make sure you remember to turn off hardware acceleration in browsers and discord - you should be good otherwise.
This is getting very frustrating.

Go to the PC this morning and screen is no signal with PC on. Keybowrd and mouse also disconnected (lightsoff). So the old driver didn't fix it.

So at some point while the PC is on, it's rebooting itself and causing this issue. I have noticed on restart that, after MSI logo, it occasionally (but not every time) shows the Windows is Updating, Computer Restarting messages. I've never had Windows Update enabled so I don't know what the fuck is causing it to force update.

I had the Windows and Brave browser GPU acceleration disabled since troubleshooting last night. Didn't do it in Discord so I'll do that when I have time to fuck around with it tonight.

Going 2 years with zero PC issues and I'm very quickly reminded how pissed off this makes me.
 

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Oh definitely, because when it comes down to it performance of SSDs over HDDs can't really be denied. But it's not a reason not to have a backup ;)
yea thats what i meant, i have all 3 forms (modern)
i use a 10tb hdd

i put a 2tb nvme on a portable enclose and put that in my fireproof bag in my safe

and of course cloud (google drive)
 

Haus

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yea thats what i meant, i have all 3 forms (modern)
i use a 10tb hdd

i put a 2tb nvme on a portable enclose and put that in my fireproof bag in my safe

and of course cloud (google drive)
My version of "cloud" is the 21TB RAID array in my workshop.....

I have an NVMe enclosure, but I am constantly paranoid about remembering that every so many months you need to plug it in for a few.
 

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This is getting very frustrating.

Go to the PC this morning and screen is no signal with PC on. Keybowrd and mouse also disconnected (lightsoff). So the old driver didn't fix it.

So at some point while the PC is on, it's rebooting itself and causing this issue. I have noticed on restart that, after MSI logo, it occasionally (but not every time) shows the Windows is Updating, Computer Restarting messages. I've never had Windows Update enabled so I don't know what the fuck is causing it to force update.

I had the Windows and Brave browser GPU acceleration disabled since troubleshooting last night. Didn't do it in Discord so I'll do that when I have time to fuck around with it tonight.

Going 2 years with zero PC issues and I'm very quickly reminded how pissed off this makes me.

That is frustrating.

Paste this into PowerShell/Terminal:

Code:
Get-HotFix |
    Sort-Object InstalledOn -Descending |
    Select-Object -First 20 HotFixID, Description, InstalledOn

That'll let us see if that KB got re-installed and potentially caused the issue again.

Let's disable letting Windows Updates install drivers (this won't affect plug and play devices, just stuff like Windows thinking it has better drivers for your GPU or NIC, etc)

Windows- Run: gpedit.msc

Go to:

Computer Configuration
> Administrative Templates
> Windows Components
> Windows Update
> Manage updates offered from Windows Update
> Do not include drivers with Windows Updates

Set it to: Enabled

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If you wanted to do it from the Registry instead: run an elevated Command Prompt or PowerShell/Terminal:

reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate" /v ExcludeWUDriversInQualityUpdate /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f

Then reboot or run: gpupdate /force
 
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