Detective Hole

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Title: Detective Hole

Genre: Mystery, Crime

First aired: 2026-03-26

Creator: Jo Nesbø

Cast: Tobias Santelmann, Joel Kinnaman, Pia Tjelta

Overview: A brilliant but troubled detective, Harry Hole, hunts a serial killer while battling a corrupt adversary, Tom Waaler, as they navigate ethical gray areas, with Harry determined to bring the criminal to justice.
 
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"detective, Harry Hole"


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I get it's supposed to be Norwegian or whatever, but goddamn lol. Harry Hole. Difficult to read that and take it seriously.
 
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I get it's supposed to be Norwegian or whatever, but goddamn lol. Harry Hole. Difficult to read that and take it seriously.
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It's Netflix. You know that Harry Hole is going to be the target of a lot of action.
 
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Not familiar with the books. This first season adapts the 5th book of the Harry Hole serie (out of 13) which was the first to be translated into english and also the first that, looking at the pitch of books one to four, sets the bar pretty high when it comes to suspension of disbelief. In this we have a serial killer, a gang war and police corruption all in Oslo. The show ends with about a third of the yearly murders in the whole of Norway! It's a bit like if you made a cop show in LA and in the course of one season the plot covered 120 murders...

If you can go past this hurdle (which is one that is pretty typical with Nordic thrillers), you end up with a pretty big pile of clichés, starting with your usual depressed/alcoholic detective and serial killings with religious overtones. Clichés in themselves are not necessarily a bad thing. There can be a lot of viewing pleasure and comfort in a story built with clichés, but you also run the risk of boring the audience. It all comes down to the quality of the writing: is it elegant or clumsy? Sadly, I found this more of the boring / clumsy variety. There are some good ideas here and there (notably one that justify some of the clichés) some good performances also but in the end it's all a bit too preposterous.

A later book in the serie was turned into a film: The Snowman with Michael Fassbender as Harry Hole, which is known to be an absolute train wreck. Maybe Jo Nesbo is not entirely to blame because I have seen another movie based on one of his books, Headhunters, which was pretty ok I think?

It's a bit sad to use the great Anders Danielsen Lie, known internationally for his work with Joachim Trier, in a bit part just as a red herring.
 
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Szlia said:
Not familiar with the books. This first season adapts the 5th book of the Harry Hole serie (out of 13) which was the first to be translated into english and also the first that, looking at the pitch of books one to four, sets the bar pretty high when it comes to suspension of disbelief. In this we have a serial killer, a gang war and police corruption all in Oslo. The show ends with about a third of the yearly murders in the whole of Norway! It's a bit like if you made a cop show in LA and in the course of one season the plot covered 120 murders...

If you can go past this hurdle (which is one that is pretty typical with Nordic thrillers), you end up with a pretty big pile of clichés, starting with your usual depressed/alcoholic detective and serial killings with religious overtones. Clichés in themselves are not necessarily a bad thing. There can be a lot of viewing pleasure and comfort in a story built with clichés, but you also run the risk of boring the audience. It all comes down to the quality of the writing: is it elegant or clumsy? Sadly, I found this more of the boring / clumsy variety. There are some good ideas here and there (notably one that justify some of the clichés) some good performances also but in the end it's all a bit too preposterous.

A later book in the serie was turned into a film: The Snowman with Michael Fassbender as Harry Hole, which is known to be an absolute train wreck. Maybe Jo Nesbo is not entirely to blame because I have seen another movie based on one of his books, Headhunters, which was pretty ok I think?

It's a bit sad to use the great Anders Danielsen Lie, known internationally for his work with Joachim Trier, in a bit part just as a red herring.
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I'm about 3 episodes in, can barely even remember or care to pay attention. Agree with everything you say though.

Also, I found it laughable where on the 1st episode they make a claim that "no one in Norway even knows what CZ is." I get that firearm culture and exposure varies greatly, but to just act like CZ is totally unknown to Norway in 2026 is forehead slapping stupid. It was like an attempt to overstate how unattached the Country is from guns. A stupid nitpick but set me off a bit. CZ has been around for over 100 years.

Anyways, not even sure if I'll finish this, probably eventually. I didn't watch any previews so went in totally unaware that it was Norwegian.
 
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Also, I found it laughable where on the 1st episode they make a claim that "no one in Norway even knows what CZ is." I get that firearm culture and exposure varies greatly, but to just act like CZ is totally unknown to Norway in 2026 is forehead slapping stupid. It was like an attempt to overstate how unattached the Country is from guns. A stupid nitpick but set me off a bit. CZ has been around for over 100 years.
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Obviously "no one" is a bit of an hyperbole, but I think it's more about conveying the fact that it's an unusual brand for Norway and that it might indicate that these go into the country through a single channel. And to be fair, with my personal gun knowledge that is limited to video games and other media as well as a bit of world history, I am pretty sure I had never heard of Česká zbrojovka before. On that one you might be suffering from specialized knowledge bias that makes you think the average person knows more about guns than they actually do.

It's a bit different, but that reminds me how some birds specialists are thrown off when in the soundscape of a movie they use chirping noises from a sound bank that make no sense based on the time of day / season / place (or how I am bothered when they show two people playing a video game and use the Megaman music or have someone play on a PSP or Switch and have '80s beeps as sounds :D)
 
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Szlia said:
Obviously "no one" is a bit of an hyperbole, but I think it's more about conveying the fact that it's an unusual brand for Norway and that it might indicate that these go into the country through a single channel. And to be fair, with my personal gun knowledge that is limited to video games and other media as well as a bit of world history, I am pretty sure I had never heard of Česká zbrojovka before. On that one you might be suffering from specialized knowledge bias that makes you think the average person knows more about gun than the actually do.

It's a bit different, but that reminds me how some birds specialists are thrown off when in the soundscape of a movie they use chirping noises from a sound bank that make no sense based on the time of day / season / place (or how I am bothered when they show two people playing a video game and use the Megaman music or have someone play on a PSP or Switch and have '80s beeps as sounds :D)
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Hah that's definitely true and I'm sure it is bias from being an enthusiast.

Man, I'm sure we can all relate to them showing video games in movies / tv shows. The way they hold controllers and randomly push buttons, the background music. It is always so wrong and frustrating. Hah!

The bird call thing is definitely not something I'd considered. Can see how that'd drive someone up the wall too. Since I deal with communication towers professionally it is impossible for me to not critique a representation of a site and tower when it is a plot point of a movie. Like when characters are climbing a tower and it is showing microwave dishes and what-not. Drives me up the wall and makes me want to submit an application for set consultant.
 
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I'm about 3 episodes in, can barely even remember or care to pay attention. Agree with everything you say though.

Also, I found it laughable where on the 1st episode they make a claim that "no one in Norway even knows what CZ is." I get that firearm culture and exposure varies greatly, but to just act like CZ is totally unknown to Norway in 2026 is forehead slapping stupid. It was like an attempt to overstate how unattached the Country is from guns. A stupid nitpick but set me off a bit. CZ has been around for over 100 years.

Anyways, not even sure if I'll finish this, probably eventually. I didn't watch any previews so went in totally unaware that it was Norwegian.
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I think it's fairly accurate that the vast majority of Norwegians don't know what a CZ is. Especially if you abbreviate it. Even if you state it with its name like Szila did, most would probably think a beer before a gun.

As to "Not familiar with the books. This first season adapts the 5th book of the Harry Hole serie (out of 13) which was the first to be translated into english and also the first that, looking at the pitch of books one to four, sets the bar pretty high when it comes to suspension of disbelief. In this we have a serial killer, a gang war and police corruption all in Oslo. The show ends with about a third of the yearly murders in the whole of Norway! It's a bit like if you made a cop show in LA and in the course of one season the plot covered 120 murders..."

Book was released in 2003, so written in 2000-2003? Yeah, that is accurate. If you at that point (even now really) had asked me "there is a killer in Norway, guess where he is", answer would be Oslo. A murder happened, guess where "Oslo". (not sure there has been a serial killer here since the 80s though, worst one was a guy who killed at nursing homes. Not calling the Breivik thing as a serial killer as much as a mass murder). News of a gang = Oslo.

Where I grew up in Norway, Oslo was a meme place of gang violence and knife attacks. A guy at my high school apparently had a knife with him to a bar in another town and the school found out about it and he was made fun of for the rest of the 2 years of school "ohh he thinks he is from Oslo!". No cool points awarded or "ohh he is dangerous". Just mockery. People just didn't do that. These days.... less so (sadly). But yeah, we described Oslo as the belly button of Norway. Where all the lint and shit congregated. Writing a book about a third of the nations murders / gang violence being anywhere else would be the suspension of disbelief, at least for a Norwegian at the time of the book.
 
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I never spent any time in Oslo but did spend about a week in Hønefoss and it was really nice.

I concede the CZ thing as a nitpick, once again :)
 
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